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You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

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Harry Guerrilla said:
And those people can go to places that offer online access.
There are so many, that it makes your claim of discrimination idiotic and empty.

Yes, it is a waste of time and money, especially when the primary process is through online acceptance.
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Sorry thats only your opinion based of your access and what you think it is but the fact still remains all do not have it.

and no its not a real wast of money my company does it and its a non-impact.
We do on line apps, we also accept hard copies (very few maybe one-two a month, MOST are done on line) and we also have a "community computer" where people can choose to do the app on line and do resume work.

None impact, and we did it so we didnt leave anybody out and discriminate and everybody has a change at employment.

Not sure what the couple of you think Im arguing for but all Im saying is there should be no problem with companies taking hard copies also since everybody doesnt have access.
 
So that settles it - there's no excuse not to have access to the net if it's necessary.

Library, cafe, borrowing access, blackberry and cellphone.

And for those without any of that - there are countless programs available that help needy and underprivileged gain online knowledge and access, do job related research, educate theirselves with new skills and type of resumes.

With all of this access and growing support forthose who don't have ti in their homes it really only leave speople who just don't care.
 
Centrist77 said:
Again I agree 100%

to bad accepting hard-copy resumes/apps doesn't seem like "catering" at all but common sense.
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Apparently to those businesses it is NOT common sense. But of course when you are hiring your employees you can hire anyone...hell...take them with crayon drawings and stick figures.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
So that settles it - there's no excuse not to have access to the net if it's necessary.

Library, cafe, borrowing access, blackberry and cellphone.

And for those without any of that - there are countless programs available that help needy and underprivileged gain online knowledge and access, do job related research, educate theirselves with new skills and type of resumes.

With all of this access and growing support forthose who don't have ti in their homes it really only leave speople who just don't care.
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How do you figure its settle when the fact remains not all people have access lol

blackberries and cell phones???? LOL are you kidding me?

Its simply not true to say its only people that dont care.
 
VanceMack said:
Apparently to those businesses it is NOT common sense. But of course when you are hiring your employees you can hire anyone...hell...take them with crayon drawings and stick figures.
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I agree they LACK it ;)
 
Centrist77 said:
Your last part I agree with 100% about seeing a lawsuit all the way through would be tough. Dont agree about that VS internet connection, I know people right now that dont have it or easy access to it. You can say EVENTUALLY they will find it but that isnt fair either if they are delayed in their ablity to have equal oppurtunity.

The first part I call total BS on and If i was on the jury Id never buy it.

Efficient and reducing waste is meaningless to me.
I only want to hire skinny white males then, I feel the are the most efficient, dont eat a lot like fat people so they will do more work and create less waste and Ill never have to worry about them taking maternal leave.

No of course my example is WAY over the top for humor purposes but the point is who gets to debate efficiency and waste? If its not a job requirement I dont buy it.
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I feel the only reason most places have went by the way on only taking applications via online is due to cost. Forget that a lot of people do not have computers much less know how to type. Sure some will argue if you cannot use a computer that the company will not hire you anyways but what about the old school folks that have no wish to have a computer or be on one? Should they not have a legal right to a paper application?

I know if you are disabled you can seek out a manager that will make sure someone assist you with being able to apply for work at that workplace so maybe this is what everyone without a computer should do and then we will see how cost effective it is for them if more people did that.

You should not have to own a computer nor be forced to go anywhere else to put in for gainful employment other than the actual place you are seeking that gainful employment. I am gonna stop now before I go into an offtopic rant about temporary job services:(
 
Kali said:
I feel the only reason most places have went by the way on only taking applications via online is due to cost. Forget that a lot of people do not have computers much less know how to type. Sure some will argue if you cannot use a computer that the company will not hire you anyways but what about the old school folks that have no wish to have a computer or be on one? Should they not have a legal right to a paper application?

I know if you are disabled you can seek out a manager that will make sure someone assist you with being able to apply for work at that workplace so maybe this is what everyone without a computer should do and then we will see how cost effective it is for them if more people did that.

You should not have to own a computer nor be forced to go anywhere else to put in for gainful employment other than the actual place you are seeking that gainful employment. I am gonna stop now before I go into an offtopic rant about temporary job services:(
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well you don't have to sell me on it, while i don't think you could win civil rights its definitely wrong and unfair and discriminatory. Thats exactly why my company decided to do on line apps mostly but we still accept the occasional hard-copy. Its whats right.
 
Kali said:
I feel the only reason most places have went by the way on only taking applications via online is due to cost. Forget that a lot of people do not have computers much less know how to type. Sure some will argue if you cannot use a computer that the company will not hire you anyways but what about the old school folks that have no wish to have a computer or be on one? Should they not have a legal right to a paper application?

I know if you are disabled you can seek out a manager that will make sure someone assist you with being able to apply for work at that workplace so maybe this is what everyone without a computer should do and then we will see how cost effective it is for them if more people did that.

You should not have to own a computer nor be forced to go anywhere else to put in for gainful employment other than the actual place you are seeking that gainful employment. I am gonna stop now before I go into an offtopic rant about temporary job services:(
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I haven't job hunted in 16 years but don't you kind of have to go to the employer at some point? Many employers make PCs available on site for that purpose. I know Target does because I see the kiosk as soon as I walk in.

Job hunting requires some hustle. Always has and always will. Getting to a PC should not be an insurmountable obstacle. In fact, if i had to job hunt, I would begin on one.
 
Centrist77 said:
How do you figure its settle when the fact remains not all people have access lol

blackberries and cell phones???? LOL are you kidding me?

Its simply not true to say its only people that dont care.
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Every DHS/CPA/SSA/DHA office has the means to assist and provide information for people needing to find employment - which would include online access.

If someone can *get* to work then why can't they *get* to one of these many areas as well?

I didn't have my own personal computer for years and still managed just fine via state programs *shrug*
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Every DHS/CPA/SSA/DHA office has the means to assist and provide information for people needing to find employment - which would include online access.

If someone can *get* to work then why can't they *get* to one of these many areas as well?

I didn't have my own personal computer for years and still managed just fine via state programs *shrug*
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Again thats you and what you could do and not everyone else. WHy do peopls assum that thier experiences are everyone elses?

What if they work alread and just want a better job but cant afford to miss a day?
I could make a list of tons of REALISTIC reasons.

also I find it hilarious how many people brought up cyber cafes (not saying you Aunt SPiker these are just random points) and black berries, I dont know where everyone lives but im about 30-40 mins south of pittsburgh and theres no "cyber cafes" LMAO a couple spots here offer free wi-fi but you still need a laptop or something to access it? and black berries? when did all poor people start having blackberries and if they do they also have unlimited data? hahahahaha

but its ME thats being unrealistic thinking companies should have no issues with accepting a couple hard copies every other months to give everyone an equal chance. LOL
 
LuckyDan said:
I haven't job hunted in 16 years but don't you kind of have to go to the employer at some point? Many employers make PCs available on site for that purpose. I know Target does because I see the kiosk as soon as I walk in.

Job hunting requires some hustle. Always has and always will. Getting to a PC should not be an insurmountable obstacle. In fact, if i had to job hunt, I would begin on one.
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Im fine with any company that offers this on site, mine does.
But that also doesnt change the fact not everyone has a pc or access.
 
TOJ said:
Sounds like a good way to help weed out the stupid and lazy. ;)

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How is it lazy to wish to pick up a pen and WRITE oldschool style rather than having to type? I happen to feel it is the other way around.
 
Centrist77 said:
Im fine with any company that offers this on site, mine does.
But that also doesnt change the fact not everyone has a pc or access.
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Well, alright, then write your congressman or whatever you need to do to fix it, but it does NOT violate EEOC regs.

That's my whole thing.
 
Centrist77 said:
Again thats you and what you could do and not everyone else. WHy do peopls assum that thier experiences are everyone elses?

What if they work alread and just want a better job but cant afford to miss a day?
I could make a list of tons of REALISTIC reasons.

also I find it hilarious how many people brought up cyber cafes (not saying you Aunt SPiker these are just random points) and black berries, I dont know where everyone lives but im about 30-40 mins south of pittsburgh and theres no "cyber cafes" LMAO a couple spots here offer free wi-fi but you still need a laptop or something to access it? and black berries? when did all poor people start having blackberries and if they do they also have unlimited data? hahahahaha

but its ME thats being unrealistic thinking companies should have no issues with accepting a couple hard copies every other months to give everyone an equal chance. LOL
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Well - I still dont' like online applications. I refused to fill them out - not worth my time if they didn't want to MEET me face to face at the initial hand-over. . . . so I guess I'm playing devil's advocate :)
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well - I still dont' like online applications. I refused to fill them out - not worth my time if they didn't want to MEET me face to face at the initial hand-over. . . . so I guess I'm playing devil's advocate :)
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no biggie cause I happen to agree ;)
 
Centrist77 said:
Prove what?
That some people dont have access to the internet? LMAO you cant be serious.
Some people barely have access to clothes and food and you think "everyone" has access to internet oh brother.
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Don't you know we are living in a world to where everybody has the interwebz and a cell phone? They may not have food or clothes but damn it to hell they have the internets.:2razz::lamo:lamo

Boggles the mind.. And we are the silly ones? Right.. ;)
 
LuckyDan said:
Well, alright, then write your congressman or whatever you need to do to fix it, but it does NOT violate EEOC regs.

That's my whole thing.
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Thats good?

I dont have to write anyonw though because thankfully I havent encoutered any company that was retarded enough no to accpet hard copy apps / resumes. :D
 
Kali said:
Don't you know we are living in a world to where everybody has the interwebz and a cell phone? They may not have food or clothes but damn it to hell they have the internets.:2razz::lamo:lamo

Boggles the mind.. And we are the silly ones? Right.. ;)
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Are you job hunting? Just curious. My company is always hiring but we're only in a dozen cities or so.
 
tessaesque said:
If every employer only allowed e-applications, that would be an issue. Most do not.
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This thread is about the ONLY.. I made sure to make that clear.
 
Kali said:
Don't you know we are living in a world to where everybody has the interwebz and a cell phone? They may not have food or clothes but damn it to hell they have the internets.:2razz::lamo:lamo

Boggles the mind.. And we are the silly ones? Right.. ;)
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yeah im just not getting it either
there are infact people out there that can barely affored food and close and can not miss one single day of work they may loos the roof over thier heads but magically these people all have internet or can get it and black berries? Dont know how people could be so out of touch with reality.

Of course I have MANY MANY ways to get online but thats ME not the treality of others. Oh well
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
My god man, you're creating all sorts of excuses.
Does this fictional person not have a day off?

The library is open on weekends, friends and family are typically open 24/7 if you need it.
There are so few reasonable scenarios where this wouldn't work that it makes it largely a non issue.

No one is asking these people to cross the damn desert, with a thimble of water.
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My library is only open for 2 hours on weekends. Budget cuts.

Again forget all that: they should have to provide a way for me to put in for a job onsite. I should not have to beg the boy next to me to use his computer to fill out an appy:(

BTW, What about the identity theft aspect? What if someone does not wish to fill it out online because they do not wish to give out their SS# online? What if they do and while in process of giving it out get hacked and fall victims to identity theft. Can I sue them for any damages that may be caused since they gave me no choice but to give them my SS# on a computer?
 
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Kali said:
My library is only open for 2 hours on weekends. Budget cuts.

Again forget all that: they should have to provide a way for me to put in for a job onsite. I should not have to beg the boy next to me to use his computer to fill out an appy:(
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Ask a friend, a family member, go to the department of labor, buy a very cheap pc from a pawn shop, you have choices.

Kali said:
BTW, What about the identity theft aspect? What if someone does not wish to fill it out online because they do not wish to give out their SS# online? What if they do and while in process of giving it out get hacked and fall victims to identity theft. Can I sue them for any damages that may be caused since they gave me no choice but to give them my SS# on a computer?
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Clear the history and close the page, it's very unlikely that your personal information will be stolen.
 
Kali said:
Do you feel that places who only take job applications Online is a Violation of Civil Rights?

I feel this is a violation of equal employment opportunity due to the fact that not everyone has a computer at home to be able to apply.
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Laws defining "equal employment opportunity" are a violation of civil rights.
 
Kali said:
My library is only open for 2 hours on weekends. Budget cuts.

Again forget all that: they should have to provide a way for me to put in for a job onsite. I should not have to beg the boy next to me to use his computer to fill out an appy:(
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You have to if that's what the employer wants.

If you don't want to do things the employer's way, why should he consider hiring you?

If the laws are written to force employers to accept paper applications, what's to stop the employer from putting them in a filing cabinet and turning on the computer to find the person he wants to hire?

BTW, What about the identity theft aspect? What if someone does not wish to fill it out online because they do not wish to give out their SS# online? What if they do and while in process of giving it out get hacked and fall victims to identity theft. Can I sue them for any damages that may be caused since they gave me no choice but to give them my SS# on a computer?
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If you don't want to file on-line, you don't have to. That's not complicated.

Of course, you won't get the job, but life is full of choices, isn't it?
 
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