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You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

You Must Apply Online: Is This a Violation of Civil Rights?

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Blackdog said:
The facts and reality say different.



Again prove that being poor is the same as race or a disability. As soon as you do that you may have a point. Until then you got nothing but an opinion based on emotion and not fact.



Examples of what? Please point out how requiring an on line application is a civil rights violation. You have no evidence to back this up, none. It is not a violation because it is the choice of the person to do it or not. It is again not something out of their control, end of story.
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LMAO
<standing with a puffed up chest>"end of story!"

Ive said in this thread MANY times and pointed out that even though I voted yes I dont think "civil rights" would work and that I just think its plan old discrimination and unfair practices.

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt though and figure you just missed that even though its partially even in my quote so that your rant doesnt look stupid, knee jerk and meaningless. :)
 
Centrist77 said:
I think the problem is everybody is ASSuming that whatever their access is to a computer with internet is the same for everybody, well simply not true.
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The flip side of course is ASSuming that businesses should cater to your problems.
 
VanceMack said:
The flip side of course is ASSuming that businesses should cater to your problems.
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Again I agree 100%

to bad accepting hard-copy resumes/apps doesn't seem like "catering" at all but common sense.
 
Centrist77 said:
Again I agree 100%

to bad accepting hard-copy resumes/apps doesn't seem like "catering" at all but common sense.
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If a company maintains applications electronically, why the hell should they have to pay someone to type in the application data for someone too stupid or lazy to find a computer to use.

Also, do you actually know someone that cannot manage to find a computer to use? If I knew someone in that situation, I would offer to let them use mine and also help them if they needed it. Apparently you are only charitible with other people's time and money?

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TOJ said:
If a company maintains applications electronically, why the hell should they have to pay someone to type in the application data for someone too stupid or lazy to find a computer to use.

Also, do you actually know someone that cannot manage to find a computer to use? If I knew someone in that situation, I would offer to let them use mine and also help them if they needed it. Apparently you are only charitible with other people's time and money?

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Saying they are stupid and or lazy is a false assumption and absurd.

There would be any EXTRA paying for the entry of an app considering you already have someone involved in HR and this is already done at many companies and it wouldnt take any time at all. If its a problem let them do it themselves.

Also It can also be scanned.

If I could help someone in this case I would you assuming I wouldn't is just more nonsensical ranting. LOL
 
Centrist77 said:
LMAO
<standing with a puffed up chest>"end of story!"
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Baiting.

Centrist77 said:
Ive said in this thread MANY times and pointed out that even though I voted yes I dont think "civil rights" would work and that I just think its plan old discrimination and unfair practices.
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Discrimination is a civil rights violation. No discrimination here, or unfair practice.

Centrist77 said:
Ill give you the benefit of the doubt though and figure you just missed that even though its partially even in my quote so that your rant doesnt look stupid, knee jerk and meaningless. :)
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OK so in other words, you have no argument.
 
Blackdog said:
Baiting.



Discrimination is a civil rights violation. No discrimination here, or unfair practice.



OK so in other words, you have no argument.
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No discrimination is not always a civil rights issue? LMAO
Nice try but you are now lashing out because you got caught being knee jerk, its ok
I was being civil and said id give you the benifit of the doubt but I guess that wasnt good enough LOL
 
Centrist77 said:
No discrimination is not always a civil rights issue? LMAO
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I am going by the OP's question. You think it is discrimination but none exist and it is not unfair otherwise it would be unlawful, it's not.

Centrist77 said:
Nice try but you are now lashing out because you got caught being knee jerk, its ok
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Again with more personal attacks. Yes I am lashing out with fury. lol.

Centrist77 said:
I was being civil and said id give you the benifit of the doubt but I guess that wasnt good enough LOL
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No. You are avoiding the real debate because you really don't have any argument.
 
Centrist77 said:
Saying they are stupid and or lazy is a false assumption and absurd.
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Anyone that cannot figure out how to get access to computer for applying for a job they want, is either stupid or lazy. ;)

There would be any EXTRA paying for the entry of an app considering you already have someone involved in HR and this is already done at many companies and it wouldnt take any time at all. If its a problem let them do it themselves.
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Not real bright about data enrty costs, are ya there sweetie? Transcribing handwritten documents is non-trivial. We make a lot of money helping folks reduce their manual data entry requiremets.

If they accept only online applications, they probably would not have someone dedicated to entering employment application data. Maybe that is a concept too hard for you to understand.

Also It can also be scanned.
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Hard to do data mining on a graphical image. A primary reason for wanting data entered electronically is to be able to store discrete data elements in a database. That data is then available for mining. Probably another concept above your pay grade.

If I could help someone in this case I would you assuming I wouldn't is just more nonsensical ranting. LOL
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You are that one that has been ranting stupidity throughout this thread.

As I said, you seem to only be charitble with other people's time and money.

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TOJ said:
Anyone that cannot figure out how to get access to computer for applying for a job they want, is either stupid or lazy. ;)
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100% false and nothing more than you opinion.

TOJ said:
Not real bright about data enrty costs, are ya there sweetie? Transcribing handwritten documents is non-trivial. We make a lot of money helping folks reduce their manual data entry requiremets.
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attempts to insult now since you have nothing of substance. Data entry is atleast 33% of my job and Im a supervisor. Sorry totally aware and nothing you sad changes the facts it be a none issue since its just an app, youd already have somebody doing HR and lets not forget the ultimate argument, the numbers would be VERY VERY low because just about EVERYBODY can get computer access so man that hr dept would be swamped doing what one app a month? a week? LMAO

TOJ said:
If they accept only online applications, they probably would not have someone dedicated to entering employment application data. Maybe that is a concept too hard for you to understand.
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every company needs somebody to do HR and if they are taking on sooooo many on line apps Im sure theres probably TWO people at least for HR not to mention again since the numbers would be sooooo minunmum why do you neeed one person dedicated to this and this only? LOL

TOJ said:
Hard to do data mining on a graphical image. A primary reason for wanting data entered electronically is to be able to store discrete data elements in a database. That data is then available for mining. Probably another concept above your pay grade.
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Wrong again Adobe professional is EASILY capable of scanning and doing this sometime you dont even have to convert the image, and a lot of data mining software is capable also ;)

TOJ said:
You are that one that has been ranting stupidity throughout this thread.
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More attacks since you got nothing else this really shows your hand :D

TOJ said:
As I said, you seem to only be charitble with other people's time and money.

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and I said you were wrong with you assumptions and you still are:2wave:

not to mention this a bunch of off topic stuff that is meaningless
 
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Blackdog said:
I am going by the OP's question. You think it is discrimination but none exist and it is not unfair otherwise it would be unlawful, it's not.



Again with more personal attacks. Yes I am lashing out with fury. lol.



No. You are avoiding the real debate because you really don't have any argument.
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personal attacks? where?!?!?!?! LMAO
No you made up you OWN argument as you just said you werent addressing me you were addressing the OP eventhough Im saying something different. Thanks glad you admit it. :D
 
ALright here we go, in not going to let people deflect and try to hijack what "i" said and play into their emotional hands.

Here is my opinion on this.

I have already stated I dont think civil rights could be won on this. I do however do not think its right because of the simple following reason. I think its discrimination and unfair because why should a job require something of you that is not needed to perform the job.

Logically it doesnt make sense to deny a person a chance of employment based something that isnt needed to perform the job at hand.

What am I missing, are there other examples of this? Wheres the logic based on common sense not civil rights.
 
Kali said:
Do you feel that places who only take job applications Online is a Violation of Civil Rights?

I feel this is a violation of equal employment opportunity due to the fact that not everyone has a computer at home to be able to apply.
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Pulllleeeze. Go to your library. They're free there. If you don't know how to use a computer, you won't get the job anyway.

That's not any different than saying, "It violates civil rights because I have to buy a newspaper to read the want ads". G.i.v.e. me. a. break.
 
Alfons said:
Yes, I agree with you, it is a clearly violation of civil liberties, companies must give additional opportunities to apply per post.
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No, they mustn't. Not according to EEOC regs, anyway. EEOC is concerned with employment discrimination on the bases of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, and disability.

None of the above has anything whatsoever to do with access to the internet.
 
Centrist77 said:
ALright here we go, in not going to let people deflect and try to hijack what "i" said and play into their emotional hands.

Here is my opinion on this.

I have already stated I dont think civil rights could be won on this. I do however do not think its right because of the simple following reason. I think its discrimination and unfair because why should a job require something of you that is not needed to perform the job.

Logically it doesnt make sense to deny a person a chance of employment based something that isnt needed to perform the job at hand.

What am I missing, are there other examples of this? Wheres the logic based on common sense not civil rights.
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I'll counter: In our technologically advancing world computer literacy and access is becoming more prevalent and more employers expect and require all of their staff to have access in some way.

But in actuality it's suppose to be a time-saver for the human-resources department and it's suppose to make the process streamlined and more efficient. Which defeats the entire purpose of hiring applicants, anyway.

I find this whole new obcession and reliance on tech to be annoying, though - at several places I frequent I have to sign in on a computer when I show up instead of taking a number from a ticker or adding my name ot a registry . . . at one such place you sign in on the computer and then a specialized printer prints off a numbered ticket. Is that waste of money for that technology really worth it? I don't see how. . . and after receving a high tech printoff of a number the oversized LCD TV's will scroll the 'now servicing' number across the screen.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
I'll counter: In our technologically advancing world computer literacy and access is becoming more prevalent and more employers expect and require all of their staff to have access in some way.

But in actuality it's suppose to be a time-saver for the human-resources department and it's suppose to make the process streamlined and more efficient. Which defeats the entire purpose of hiring applicants, anyway.
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Well in my opinion they shouldn't expect anything that isnt required to perform the job. Now you said expect and require. If internet access is required to perform at the job than I have no problem with it but if it isnt then it should be "expected"

As far as streamlining Im fine with that, as i mention earlier my company did the same and it worked but we still take the few hard-copy apps and they get entered and hard copy resumes get scanned. We also have computers on site if the applicant has the time to enter the info themselves.

We did this not to unfairly deny anybody the chance at employment.
 
Centrist77 said:
Well in my opinion they shouldn't expect anything that isnt required to perform the job. Now you said expect and require. If internet access is required to perform at the job than I have no problem with it but if it isnt then it should be "expected"

As far as streamlining Im fine with that, as i mention earlier my company did the same and it worked but we still take the few hard-copy apps and they get entered and hard copy resumes get scanned. We also have computers on site if the applicant has the time to enter the info themselves.

We did this not to unfairly deny anybody the chance at employment.
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Why would you assume that online-access isn't expected on the job?

A lot of employers prefer email as communication - blackberries and all sorts of other things. Heck - my husband was assigned a blackberry and he's in the freaking army.
 
Centrist77 said:
100% false and nothing more than you opinion. attempts to insult now since you have nothing of substance. Data entry is atleast 33% of my job and Im a supervisor. Sorry totally aware and nothing you sad changes the facts it be a none issue since its just an app, youd already have somebody doing HR and lets not forget the ultimate argument, the numbers would be VERY VERY low because just about EVERYBODY can get computer access so man that hr dept would be swamped doing what one app a month? a week? LMAO
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Guess that would make you a clerk/supervisor or would that be a supervisor/clerk. :lamo


every company needs somebody to do HR
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Really. let's see your proof.

and if they are taking on sooooo many on line apps Im sure theres probably TWO people at least for HR not to mention again since the numbers would be sooooo minunmum why do you neeed one person dedicated to this and this only? LOL
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Who said anything about the number of on-line apps?

Wrong again Adobe professional is EASILY capable of scanning and doing this sometime you dont even have to convert the image, and a lot of data mining software is capable also ;)
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Like I said, don't know much about this subject, do ya? Trying to use text recognition on a handwritten application filled out by someone too stupid or lazy to figure out how to get access to a computer would be a fools errand.... on second thought, it is probably something you could dive right into. :lamo

More attacks since you got nothing else this really shows your hand :D
and I said you were wrong with you assumptions and you still are:2wave:
not to mention this a bunch of off topic stuff that is meaningless
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Better get back to your data entry, sweetie.

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Centrist77 said:
personal attacks? where?!?!?!?! LMAO
No you made up you OWN argument as you just said you werent addressing me you were addressing the OP eventhough Im saying something different. Thanks glad you admit it. :D
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No, your argument makes no sense. It is not in any way discrimination or a civil rights violation...


an act or instance of discriminating.

2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination. - Discrimination | Define Discrimination at Dictionary.com

So no it's not. The company's are not discriminating against anyone.

I am not saying you said it is a civil rights violation as you said you are not saying that. I am saying other than that your opinion is wrong.
 
TOJ said:
Guess that would make you a clerk/supervisor or would that be a supervisor/clerk. :lamo


Really. let's see your proof.

Who said anything about the number of on-line apps?

Like I said, don't know much about this subject, do ya? Trying to use text recognition on a handwritten application filled out by someone too stupid or lazy to figure out how to get access to a computer would be a fools errand.... on second thought, it is probably something you could dive right into. :lamo

Better get back to your data entry, sweetie.

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translation you got nothing and just proved it, thats what I thougt LMAO, now get the egg off your face and read post 138 or continue to look foolish either way your exposed.
 
Centrist77 said:
ALright here we go, in not going to let people deflect and try to hijack what "i" said and play into their emotional hands.

Here is my opinion on this.

I have already stated I dont think civil rights could be won on this. I do however do not think its right because of the simple following reason. I think its discrimination and unfair because why should a job require something of you that is not needed to perform the job.

Logically it doesnt make sense to deny a person a chance of employment based something that isnt needed to perform the job at hand.

What am I missing, are there other examples of this? Wheres the logic based on common sense not civil rights.
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If you are not going to do any writing, why fill out an application?

This argument of yours is silly.
 
Blackdog said:
No, your argument makes no sense. It is not in any way discrimination or a civil rights violation...


an act or instance of discriminating.

2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination. - Discrimination | Define Discrimination at Dictionary.com

So no it's not. The company's are not discriminating against anyone.

I am not saying you said it is a civil rights violation as you said you are not saying that. I am saying other than that your opinion is wrong.
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WOW I stopped reading after the first line since you AGAIN brought up something I didnt say LMAO Oh well typical
 
Centrist77 said:
translation you got nothing and just proved it, thats what I thougt LMAO, now get the egg off your face and read post 138 or continue to look foolish either way your exposed.
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I sincerely hope that your data entry skills on the 'net are significantly less polished than they are at work, where 33% of your job requires them. Your posts have been awfully hard to comprehend through the grammatical assault and spelling errors. Perhaps that is the exact reason why they're requiring online applications. Perhaps they're trying to weed out those without an attention to detail or a basic grasp of communication. Even if computer use isn't necessary on the job, communication skills almost assuredly are.
 
Blackdog said:
If you are not going to do any writing, why fill out an application?

This argument of yours is silly.
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What the heck are you talking about? there you go being knee-jerk AGAIN Im talking about internet access and have been the whole time LMAO not writing?:lamo
 
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