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Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

Is Sarah Palin's use of the flag breaking the law?

  • YES! Fine her! Throw her in jail!

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • Maybe...it seems disrespectful.

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Really? This is what we're talking about?

    Votes: 41 89.1%

  • Total voters
    46
The word Code ought to be capitalized because it refers to US Code. The word Flag I capitalize out of respect, like a proper name, and to distinguish the Flag from flags generally.

Pretty sure we all knew which flag you were talking about;) even without the cap.
 
Part of the pledge is the "under God" part, which to me is hollow, and insincere, why would I be dishonest and pledge to a country under something I do not even believe to exist.

If you can't say the Pledge as written for reasons of conscience, then so be it. This fact does not mean that you are able to make up your own Pledge, it's just not an option.

I regret that you feel this way about the Pledge of Allegiance. But if you can't say the Pledge of Allegiance how can you expect to say the Pledge of Allegiance?

This is a matter of definition. The Pledge of Allegiance is written by Congress, not individuals.
 
If it was my kid, the irreverence of it would be very concerning to me.

I don't believe it was irreverence - your belief system does not match hers.
 
If you can't say the Pledge as written for reasons of conscience, then so be it. This fact does not mean that you are able to make up your own Pledge, it's just not an option.

I regret that you feel this way about the Pledge of Allegiance. But if you can't say the Pledge of Allegiance how can you expect to say the Pledge of Allegiance?

This is a matter of definition. The Pledge of Allegiance is written by Congress, not individuals.

I would much rather my loyalty to my country be directly through my thoughts, feelings and actions than to present it in some pledge that portions thereof would ultimately would feel dishonest to me (and I did not open this can of worms the last post, but the pledge is just another bit of symbolism anyhow).
 
I would much rather my loyalty to my country be directly through my thoughts, feelings and actions than to present it in some pledge that portions thereof would ultimately would feel dishonest to me (and I did not open this can of worms the last post, but the pledge is just another bit of symbolism anyhow).

Again, it's unfortunate that you feel that saying the Pledge would be dishonest for you. I can see how this would put you in a predicament. But you're out of luck, the Pledge is what it is and not another thing. If you want to alter or truncate the Pledge you no longer have the Pledge.
 
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I don't believe it was irreverence - your belief system does not match hers.

This is not a question of rights, it is a question of morality. She is within her rights to say anything she likes and pretend it is the Pledge. That doesn't make it morally acceptable.
 
Again, it's unfortunate that you feel that saying the Pledge would be dishonest. I can see how this would put you in a predicament. But you're out of luck, the Pledge is what it is and not another thing. If you want to alter or truncate the Pledge you no longer have the Pledge.

I do not need congress to tell me how to pledge allegiance to this country. It would not be the first, nor the last time that I was not in lockstep agreement with them, they routinely do things I do not agree with. Anyhow, thoughts, feelings and actions are what counts in my view, not some symbolic protocol and ritual. If I say a truncated pledge that has meaning to me personally, and reinforces my feelings of pride to be an American, and for my country, then that is what I will do.
 
This is not a question of rights, it is a question of morality. She is within her rights to say anything she likes and pretend it is the Pledge. That doesn't make it morally acceptable.

The pledge has nothing to do with morals.
 
I do not need congress to tell me how to pledge allegiance to this country.

Maybe not, but you do need them to tell you how to make the Pledge of Allegiance.
 
Maybe not, but you do need them to tell you how to make the Pledge of Allegiance.

Here let me make this clear.. I pledge allegiance to the United States of America. it is not "THE" Pledge of Allegiance, but it is a pledge of allegiance and it is sincere, heartfelt, and has significant personal meaning, whereas the official one verbatim would not be.
 
Here let me make this clear.. I pledge allegiance to the United States of America. it is not "THE" Pledge of Allegiance, but it is a pledge of allegiance and it is sincere, heartfelt, and has significant personal meaning, whereas the official one verbatim would not be.

Sure, I would agree that it is a pledge of allegiance. I feel for you marduc. I despise the words "under God" in the Pledge, it makes me sick that the Pledge cannot be said in good conscience by patriotic atheists such as yourself. I have been very vocal about this in the past, thank you for reminding me how important it is.
 
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Sure, I would agree that it is a pledge of allegiance. I feel for you marduc. I despise the words "under God" in the Pledge, it makes me sick the the Pledge cannot be said in good conscience by patriotic atheists such as yourself.

Why can't he just revert to saying it as it was written?
 
Did Obama have a campaign commercial that scribbled graffiti all over the flag?

Flag-regulation dictates you can depict it's pattern or colors *respectfully* in a variety of ways.

You can also burn a flag *respectfully* as well like our family did over the weekend so we could retire an old flag and hang a new one.
 
Why can't he just revert to saying it as it was written?

The beauty of it is, I can pledge allegiance however I wish. It is not the ritual that counts, but it is the sincerity that does.
 
Why can't he just revert to saying it as it was written?

I imagine it would be extremely difficult to pledge loyalty to "one nation, under God," when one does not believe such a God exists.
 
The beauty of it is, I can say it however I wish. It is not the ritual that counts, but it is the sincerity that does.

I must disagree with you there. Ritual and sincerity both have value.
 
It wasn't originally written "Under God." That's why I asked.
 
Did Obama have a campaign commercial that scribbled graffiti all over the flag?

I haven't seen that, but he damn well better not have. I saw an Obama pin earlier in this thread with a part of a Flag on it, which is arguably not a violation but still pretty lawyerly (read: scummy) if you ask me.
 
It wasn't originally written "Under God." That's why I asked.

Indeed, it's a shame that they changed it.

Oh, I get what you mean. Well, you can't revert to the old one any more than you can change or delete words in the Pledge of your own volition. The Pledge is defined by Congress, not individuals.
 
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So is their some reason in your estimation that they cannot choose to stick with the original version?
 
So is their some reason in your estimation that they cannot choose to stick with the original version?

My guess? Because congress passed it and we must obey congress.
 
So is their some reason in your estimation that they cannot choose to stick with the original version?

Congress can change it back again if they want. We can change it back. We should.
 
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