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Is Sarah Palin's use of the American flag a breach of federal law?

Is Sarah Palin's use of the flag breaking the law?

  • YES! Fine her! Throw her in jail!

    Votes: 3 6.5%

  • Maybe...it seems disrespectful.

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • Really? This is what we're talking about?

    Votes: 41 89.1%
  • Total voters
    46
Tucker Case said:
That definitely violates the following codes:

The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the radiator cap.

When the flag is displayed otherwise than by being flown from a staff, it should be displayed flat, whether indoors or out.

The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as will permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
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All of these refer to a standard flag made of nylon etc. Not a picture of the flag.

Tucker Case said:
The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard; or used as any portion of a costume or athletic uniform. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
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The bus is not a "throw away" item. So this one maybe close, but maybe not, lol.

Tucker Case said:
It potentialy violates these codes

The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement.

The flag should not be displayed on a float in a parade except from a staff, or as provided in subsection.
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Talking again about an actual flag, not a picture of one.

Tucker Case said:
depending on circumstances.

Overall, it is very disrespectful towards the flag.

Personally, I feel that she has every right to be disrespectful to the flag if she wants to.
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It is no more disrespectful than...

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Tucker Case said:
That definitely violates the following codes:
The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the radiator cap.

When the flag is displayed otherwise than by being flown from a staff, it should be displayed flat, whether indoors or out.

The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as will permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard; or used as any portion of a costume or athletic uniform. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
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It potentialy violates these codes
The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement.

The flag should not be displayed on a float in a parade except from a staff, or as provided in subsection
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depending on circumstances.

Overall, it is very disrespectful towards the flag.

Personally, I feel that she has every right to be disrespectful to the flag if she wants to.
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I violates none of that... theflag on the front of the bus 'IS NOT A REAL FLAG!'

It'ss a painting of a flag. As such, none of the flag code you mentioned above applies.


Why do people have trouble understanding that most provisions of 'flag code', especially those you point out above TC, apply to an actual flag, not a representation or image of a flag?
 
X Factor said:
Oh please, folks who refer to "the right" or "right wingers" or "conservatives" all the time and I don't see you drawing those distinctions with them. You just don't like that some guy on the left (is that ****ing ok to say?) is being exposed so you call the Blaze stupid instead.
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So because some one else makes a stupid argument, you should make it too?
 
I think the flag should be freely used, so no I don't think she should be held liable for anything. The way she uses conservative key words is irritating though. Then again, so is the way Obama uses trite anecdotes.
 
Redress said:
So because some one else makes a stupid argument, you should make it too?
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I'm saying that not every use of "the left" or "the right" is wrong or inaccurate. If those things can only be said when every single person within that group agrees with everything, then those terms are never going to be accurate.
 
Blackdog said:
All of these refer to a standard flag made of nylon etc. Not a picture of the flag.
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Where does it make that distinction? I may have missed it.



The bus is not a "throw away" item. So this one maybe close, but maybe not, lol.
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Read the first sentence again.



Talking again about an actual flag, not a picture of one.
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Again, where is that distinction made? I did not see it.

It is no more disrespectful than...

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Both of those are also disrespectful, but I would say they are not as disrespectful because they are not being pelted by insects.
 
X Factor said:
I'm saying that not every use of "the left" or "the right" is wrong or inaccurate. If those things can only be said when every single person within that group agrees with everything, then those terms are never going to be accurate.
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Yes, but in this case, one person said it.
 
Whovian said:
I violates none of that... theflag on the front of the bus 'IS NOT A REAL FLAG!'

It'ss a painting of a flag. As such, none of the flag code you mentioned above applies.


Why do people have trouble understanding that most provisions of 'flag code', especially those you point out above TC, apply to an actual flag, not a representation or image of a flag?
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You need to reread the flag code:

The words “flag, standard, colors, or ensign”, as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.
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United States Flag Code - Wikisource

I guess people have trouble "understanding that most provisions of 'flag code'... apply to an actual flag, not a representation or image of a flag" because they actually read the flag code and understand that your claim is false.
 
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Tucker Case said:
Where does it make that distinction? I may have missed it.
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I highlighted the references to the item of the flag.

Tucker Case said:
Read the first sentence again.
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I did, again they are talking about an actual flag, not a picture. Notice when they were talking about other than the actual flag they said so?

Tucker Case said:
Again, where is that distinction made? I did not see it.
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"The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as will permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

Again when they meant other than an actual flag, they said as much.

Tucker Case said:
Both of those are also disrespectful, but I would say they are not as disrespectful because they are not being pelted by insects.
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I don'y know man. I think being thrown away is much worse.



I stand corrected in what I said. I just read your other post, and the full code. You are correct.
 
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Tucker Case said:
You need to reread the flag code:



United States Flag Code - Wikisource

I guess people have trouble "understanding that most provisions of 'flag code'... apply to an actual flag, not a representation or image of a flag" because they actually read the flag code and understand that your claim is false.
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So anything painted red, white and blue is a violation?

Hehehehehe!

What were they thinking?

So if I paint my house white, with blue trim and a red roof, I am in violation? HEHEHEHE!
 
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Blackdog said:
I highlighted the references to the item of the flag.
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None of those indicate that the rules only apply to cloth flags.



I did, again they are talking about an actual flag, not a picture. Notice when they were talking about other than the actual flag they said so?
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Like when they said "displayed otherwise"?

"The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as will permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way..

Again when they meant other than an actual flag, they said as much.
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I have already quoted the flag code where it indicates that pictures of the flag are also considered the flag.



I don'y know man. I think being thrown away is much worse.
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Than covering the flag in bug guts?
 
Blackdog said:
So anything painted red, white and blue is a violation?

Hehehehehe!

What were they thinking?

So if I paint my house white, with blue trim and a red roof, I am in violation? HEHEHEHE!
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Does your house qualify as being: "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America."?

If so, then you are in violation.
 
The flag code is not law, as the Supreme court decided via the flag burning case. It's a suggested code of ettiquette. Violating it not punishable by law. This is a stupid issue.
 
Tucker Case said:
Than covering the flag in bug guts?
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Covering the flag in bug guts can be washed, garbage is forever.

I mean anyone who has a flag flying in the rain is in violation, it's ridicules.
 
Tucker Case said:
Does your house qualify as being: "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America."?

If so, then you are in violation.
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Does not make it any less stupid.
 
tessaesque said:
The flag code is not law, as the Supreme court decided via the flag burning case. It's a suggested code of ettiquette. Violating it not punishable by law.
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Agreed. But if someone is attempting to claim that they love the flag, shouldn't they adhere to that ettiquette?
 
Tucker Case said:
So you think the flag code is stupid?
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Yes, very much so. Hell I defended it and what it stands for. This does not make it some holy relic that needs protection as the SCOTUS decided correctly.
 
For me this is a non-issue, Of course I don't think very highly of Palin as far as "presidential" goes but she'll never be there anyway so no worries. This is a manufactured issue that both sides are guilty of at times, the problem with Palin is she makes it so easy but not this time, this is just desperate reaching and bias. Sad part is you don't have to do this with Palin she'll give you plenty of chances.
 
Blackdog said:
Yes, very much so. Hell I defended it and what it stands for. This does not make it some holy relic that needs protection as the SCOTUS decided correctly.
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I agree with you on this. But I don't know if Sarah Palin does.
 
Tucker Case said:
I agree with you on this. But I don't know if Sarah Palin does.
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She is an idiot anyway. I hope people are smart enough to let her fall to the wayside where she belongs.
 
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