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SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

Same-sex marriage is wrong because

  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    Votes: 65 78.3%

  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    Votes: 2 2.4%

  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 14 16.9%
  • Total voters
    83
SheWolf said:
BS... you're going to play this game again, and with CT and me... at the same time, and on the same thread? Everything you said amounts to a joke.
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You can take anything I've said out of context and twist them anyway you like. That doesn't make it true, regardless of the names you call me.
 
BDBoop said:
I refuse to accept your goal post movement.
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I didn't move any goal posts.....marriage is an act. You tried to move the goal posts claiming it wasn't about acts.
 
CriticalThought said:
All that you have proven a few pages back is that neither you nor Oscar know the definition of "hypocrite" and that you like to make baseless and false accusations in order to protect mac.
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Let's see the post before this you said no more communication with me. What does this say about the situation? :lamo
 
CriticalThought said:
Either provide a link or I'm going to ignore you until you apologize for lying.

I'm getting tired of these baseless accusations. It's easy enough to prove something on a forum, so provide some evidence or stop making them.
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Why don't you apologize to me for lying then? Pot, kettle.
 
mac said:
I didn't move any goal posts.....marriage is an act. You tried to move the goal posts claiming it wasn't about acts.
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The Marriage License, the thing that legally marries you, is a legal contract.
 
Ikari said:
The Marriage License, the thing that legally marries you, is a legal contract.
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Absolutely, but getting married is still something you do and/or an act/action. It is for all intents and purposes both.
 
Zyphlin said:
The legal definition of marriage is in and of itself unequal with regards to gender as it allows a man to do something a woman isn't allowed to do, and vice versa. The fact its a legal definition doesn't keep it from being potentially unconstitutional. Indeed, the fact it IS law is what puts it under the perview of the constitution.
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It is what it is. It's been defined this way for thousands of years. The union of two of the same gender is a different thing altogether...some things can only be redefined so far before they become something else entirely.
 
Blackdog said:
Absolutely, but getting married is still something you do and/or an act/action. It is for all intents and purposes both.
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I think that in the discussion of same sex marriage being legal or illegal, we are specifically speaking to the legal aspect of the contract. They can already go through the motion of being married, they can have a ceremony and such. They just can't have their union legally recognized because they are banned access to the contract.
 
Ikari said:
I think that in the discussion of same sex marriage being legal or illegal, we are specifically speaking to the legal aspect of the contract. They can already go through the motion of being married, they can have a ceremony and such. They just can't have their union legally recognized because they are banned access to the contract.
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You may have been, but that is not the entirety of the issue.
 
mac said:
Yeah, so?

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It's not an act, the act is not what's most important currently since the act can be taken by anyone. The contention is the legal argument over same sex marriage; which is the use of government force to forbid adults from freely entering into a government issued and recognized contract. The individual has right to contract.
 
Ikari said:
It's not an act, the act is not what's most important currently since the act can be taken by anyone. The contention is the legal argument over same sex marriage; which is the use of government force to forbid adults from freely entering into a government issued and recognized contract. The individual has right to contract.
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I think what you mean is: it isn't only an act. Still, it's an act. Getting married is an act.
 
mac said:
I think what you mean is: it isn't only an act. Still, it's an act. Getting married is an act.
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Please read what I have written and not your assumptions on what I have written. I have been VERY CLEAR on this, any human should be able to read the words and understand. The point of contention with marriage is not the act of being married. Anyone, even homosexuals, can currently go through the act of being married. The contention is the legal recognition of that marriage, which is the contractual aspect of marriage; the Marriage License. Which is a government granted and recognized contract. Contention on the marriage front is not the mere act of being married, but the legal ability to have one's marriage recognized by the State.
 
Ikari said:
Please read what I have written and not your assumptions on what I have written. I have been VERY CLEAR on this, any human should be able to read the words and understand. The point of contention with marriage is not the act of being married. Anyone, even homosexuals, can currently go through the act of being married. The contention is the legal recognition of that marriage, which is the contractual aspect of marriage; the Marriage License. Which is a government granted and recognized contract. Contention on the marriage front is not the mere act of being married, but the legal ability to have one's marriage recognized by the State.
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Uh-huh. How does one enter into the legal contract known as marriage without Getting Married?
 
Ikari said:
Please read what I have written and not your assumptions on what I have written. I have been VERY CLEAR on this, any human should be able to read the words and understand. The point of contention with marriage is not the act of being married. Anyone, even homosexuals, can currently go through the act of being married. The contention is the legal recognition of that marriage, which is the contractual aspect of marriage; the Marriage License. Which is a government granted and recognized contract. Contention on the marriage front is not the mere act of being married, but the legal ability to have one's marriage recognized by the State.
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Yup, I can go into a church and marry the man of my dreams, I am just not allowed the little piece of paper that allows me the state rights that go along with marriage. Nobody has any issue with the religious act of same sex couples getting married. They only disagree with legal recognition of the marriage.
 
mac said:
Uh-huh. How does one enter into the legal contract known as marriage without Getting Married?
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Common law marriage or simply going to the court house and filling out the paper work all do not involve an actual ceremony. You can, however, go through the act of marriage without legally being married.

What was your point then? Cause I think it just backfired.
 
CriticalThought said:
Yup, I can go into a church and marry the man of my dreams, I am just not allowed the little piece of paper that allows me the state rights that go along with marriage. Nobody has any issue with the religious act of same sex couples getting married. They only disagree with legal recognition of the marriage.
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Which is why this entire argument collapses into the use of government force against the People to infringe upon their right to contract. I think maybe some posters here want to confuse that point so it doesn't look so blatent. But they're doing a very bad job at it.
 
CriticalThought said:
Yup, I can go into a church and marry the man of my dreams, I am just not allowed the little piece of paper that allows me the state rights that go along with marriage. Nobody has any issue with the religious act of same sex couples getting married. They only disagree with legal recognition of the marriage.
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I think you have it backwards. most people (at least those I know) have no disagreement with a LEGAL recognition of a gay couple, they just don't want the church to be forced to condone it via the religious act of marriage
 
Ikari said:
Common law marriage or simply going to the court house and filling out the paper work all do not involve an actual ceremony. You can, however, go through the act of marriage without legally being married.

What was your point then? Cause I think it just backfired.
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Ok, so two of my friends, Stan and Andy have lived together for 14 years....are they married? In the minimalist sense....signing the document is getting married. It is an act.
 
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mac said:
Ok, so two of my friends, Stand and Andy have lived together for 14 years....are they married? In the minimalist sense....signing the document is getting married. It is an act.
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Is there even a point to this horribly stupid argument of yours? You can live with someone for a long time and not be married. It seems like every time I disporive your point, you have another dumbass question which does nothing to promote the debate. You can live with someone for a long time, claim you are married, and you are actually married (that's common law marriage). Now of course for all legal definitions, the ones that matter if you're not trying to play word games and are actually willing to debate the topic in an intellectually honest manner, same sex couples cannot be common law married either. To legally be married you have to sign the Marriage License, which is contract.
 
But they can't get married. They have no legal rights as a couple.
 
Ikari said:
Common law marriage or simply going to the court house and filling out the paper work all do not involve an actual ceremony.
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but they do require an act/action :shrug:
 
BDBoop said:
But they can't get married. They have no legal rights as a couple.
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You try to tell some people and they either honestly don't get it or are being dishonest to not get caught up in horrible arguments previously posted.
 
Ikari said:
Which is why this entire argument collapses into the use of government force against the People to infringe upon their right to contract. I think maybe some posters here want to confuse that point so it doesn't look so blatent. But they're doing a very bad job at it.
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They know. They know that marriage licenses exist. They know that same sex marriage bans are discrimination. They know there is no rational argument to deny same sex couples the right to a marriage license. They just don't care. In their minds, they are infallible because they follow a religious interpretation of a book they deem infallible. The only reason they take part in debates like these is because they think it is funny to be irritating and to rub their perceived sense of infallibility in people's faces. All they can do is distort arguments, make fallacies, and feign ignorance. To them that is "debate".
 
Ikari said:
Is there even a point to this horribly stupid argument of yours? You can live with someone for a long time and not be married. It seems like every time I disporive your point, you have another dumbass question which does nothing to promote the debate. You can live with someone for a long time, claim you are married, and you are actually married (that's common law marriage). Now of course for all legal definitions, the ones that matter if you're not trying to play word games and are actually willing to debate the topic in an intellectually honest manner, same sex couples cannot be common law married either. To legally be married you have to sign the Marriage License, which is contract.
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I dunno, is there a point to your asinine assertion that marriage is not an act? It obviously is, one "get's married" or even "enters into the marriage contract" both acts, denying it is beyond moronic.
 
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