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SSM (Same-sex marriage) is wrong because?

Same-sex marriage is wrong because

  • It isn't, and should be available to all gay couples

    Votes: 65 78.3%

  • Being gay is wrong, so they can't get married

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • The sanctity of marriage. No, I wasn't laughing. I was coughing. *cough* ... see?

    Votes: 2 2.4%

  • It will set a bad example for Christian youth

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't honestly have a good reason, but I still say no

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 14 16.9%
  • Total voters
    83
mac said:
Not necessarily. We live under a secular govt that must represent us all equally. Many a religious value is represented in our legal system.
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Oh, baloney. They represent THE PEOPLE.
 
mac said:
Not necessarily. We live under a secular govt that must represent us all equally. Many a religious value is represented in our legal system.
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You do understand that what you said still has zero impact on what she said right, it also doesn't support your false clam about disregarding religion.
 
mac said:
Not necessarily. We live under a secular govt that must represent us all equally. Many a religious value is represented in our legal system.
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And to represent us all equally, they must not infringe upon anyone's religious rights, and can't make laws that promote, or suppress a religion, and denying SSM on religious grounds, would violate both of those.
 
O_Guru said:
The 1st amendment is not impacted in any way what so every since legal marriage has ZERO impact on religious marriage. Sorry your statement is in fact false.
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There is nothing false about my statement and legal marriage fully impacts religious marriage as they are entangled and indistinguishable.
 
ksu_aviator said:
There is nothing false about my statement and legal marriage fully impacts religious marriage as they are entangled and indistinguishable.
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They are actually, because I can get a religious marriage tomorrow if I want, but I can't get a legal marriage. This disproves your entire statement.
 
mac said:
Not if willfully disregarding religious beliefs is ok so long as you get what you want.
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Mac, it's called faith for a reason.

There are a multitude of different Christian churches and branches for a reason.

God didn't personally tell you that your religious views are correct and all the other branches of Christianity are wrong, nor can you prove your personal views are right and more godly than anybody's.

And our PERSONAL religious views do not supersede my rights. This is America and we have something called the Constitution.
 
Your Star said:
And to represent us all equally, they must not infringe upon anyone's religious rights, and can't make laws that promote, or suppress a religion, and denying SSM on religious grounds, would violate both of those.
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But denying religious freedom to Mormons and Muslims is ok?
 
mac said:
yep, religious people are people too....despite some of your experiences with them.
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What about the fact that more than a few gays are Christians?

What if they believe they are who they are, and they also believe in God, and they further believe Jesus was who he said he was, and did what he came to do. They further believe they can't have sex outside of marriage. But they can't get married. What a rotten conundrum to be trapped in.
 
mac said:
I do. Current marriage laws are not gender discriminatory.
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They are if men can't marry men and women can't marry women.
 
mac said:
But denying religious freedom to Mormons and Muslims is ok?
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No one is stopping them from getting a religious marriage, you have just proved that legal, and religious marriage are separate, thank you :)
 
Your Star said:
No one is stopping them from getting a religious marriage, you have just proved that legal, and religious marriage are separate, thank you :)
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Sure they are denied....polygamy is illegal in the us.
 
mac said:
Sure they are denied....polygamy is illegal in the us.
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That answer made no sense. Might you need to add some words?
 
Your Star said:
They are actually, because I can get a religious marriage tomorrow if I want, but I can't get a legal marriage. This disproves your entire statement.
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I fail to see how your argument is related to the discussion.
 
ksu_aviator said:
There is nothing false about my statement and legal marriage fully impacts religious marriage as they are entangled and indistinguishable.
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Again 100% false, everything you said is false and your new statment is also false.

They are VERY clearly different and distinguishable.
Legal marriage comes with legal rights tied to that contract.
Religious marriage comes with Religious benefits and merits.
Religious marriages has ZERO ties to legal marriage it can totally exist without it.
Legal marriage has ZERO ties to religious marriage its can totally exist without it.

Sorry you are 100% wrong.

Those are the facts sorry you misunderstand this somehow.
 
mac said:
Sure they are denied....polygamy is illegal in the us.
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:roll: No. Polygamist can have a religious marriage in a church. They just don't have a legally recognized marriage.
 
ksu_aviator said:
I fail to see how your argument is related to the discussion.
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Then you also fail to have any concept of reality, my brother got legally married with NO religion involved. How'd that happen if they are entangled and indistinguishable?

Ill give you 3 guesses :)
 
mac said:
Sure they are denied....polygamy is illegal in the us.
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Religious polygamous marriage is perfectly legal, while legal polygamous marriage isn't. Big difference, again thank you for admitting that religious marriage is separate from legal marriage. :)

Now can we get past this, and discuss what is pertinent?
 
mac said:
I do. Current marriage laws are not gender discriminatory.
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And here we are again.

discrimination

treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs

Discrimination | Define Discrimination at Dictionary.com
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Marriage gender discrimination: treatment or consideration of a person for marriage based on the gender group which that person belongs
 
ksu_aviator said:
I fail to see how your argument is related to the discussion.
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I can get married in a Church tomorrow, but I can't get married legally in the state I live, this fact disproves your belief that religious, and legal marriage are one in the same.
 
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