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Thread: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

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    Re: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    No it doesn't. It's a mish-mash of books written over several hundred years by about 40 authors that was only turned into Christianity AFTER it was written. There is no single theme, and certainly no discernible agenda.

    The Qur'an, on the other hand, was authored by one man (of course you believe it was God dictating to Mohamed, but I don't) over a 22 1/2 year period. One author, one language, one agenda. Christianity was invented AFTER the bible - Islam was invented BY the Qur'an.



    And when did Jesus EVER encourage anyone to use a sword? Hint: The answer is never. In fact, he actually stopped Simon Peter from attacking the servant of the priest sent to arrest him.

    Now compare Jesus to Mohamed. Mohamed built an army and directed it against pagans, Jews, and Christians. He slaughtered, raped, and pillaged. Those are historically verifiable facts. Even the Qur'an says so in verse 33:26 (speaking of the Banu Quraiza and the genocide he unleashed against them), "And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some you [Mohamed] killed and you took captive another part.".



    This is NOT God talking to believers. It's a parable told by Jesus as a prediction - not a command. (What is the meaning of the Parable of the Ten Minas? | GotQuestions.org)

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    Christ uses the Parable of the Ten Minas in Luke 19:11–27 to teach about the coming kingdom of God on earth. The occasion of the parable is Jesus’ final trip to Jerusalem. Many people in the crowd along the road believed that He was going to Jerusalem in order to establish His earthly kingdom immediately. (Of course, He was going to Jerusalem in order to die, as He had stated in Luke 18:33.) Jesus used this parable to dispel any hopeful rumors that the time of the kingdom had arrived.



    What?



    One-off stories from the OT do NOT constitute an on-going command to kill.

    And there lies a major difference between bible and qur'an. The former is a story book, and the latter is a direct sermon from God telling Muslims explicitly what to do. When 9:29 says to fight the people of the book, it means just that. No parable has to be massaged. No indirect wording has to be scrutinized. Fight means fight. And it means it now every bit as much as it did 1400 years ago.
    I will go along with you to believe that the sole purpose of the Bible isn't to define Christianity and that it is a mish-mash of writing. What is Christianity? Define it for me and explain from where Christians get their spiritual reading and instructions?
    You are trying to make a nice run but it won't work. The verses about buying swords and order the killing of the disbelievers in Jesus is very clear. He didn't order his followers to use the swords, why he ordered them to buy? To cut fruits and vegetables.
    I can use the same excuse you do "One-off stories from the OT do NOT constitute an on-going command to kill." However, I won't, Because of this what losers do. They try to write apologetic but pathetic answers. Dual standards, this what is your reply all about.

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    Re: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    This thread is about Islamophobia.

    I questioned the legitimacy of the claim of Islamophobia with a very specific answer, and all you did was copy everybody else on DP who is afraid of having a real discussion about Islam by deflecting onto Christianity. If you truly want a dialogue, then please answer my post. If you don't, I'll just add you to the growing list of disingenuous posters.
    The real discussion is what you guys and people like you to get away from it.

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    Re: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Time to first lie... Second sentence.

    And if you can't handle the truth you can't handle this forum.
    I am handling the forum pretty well until now. Your comments on my threads are the evidence.

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    Re: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

    Quote Originally Posted by stan1990 View Post
    I am handling the forum pretty well until now. Your comments on my threads are the evidence.
    Incorrect.

    You make a fool of yourself weekly.
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    Re: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

    Quote Originally Posted by stan1990 View Post
    I will go along with you to believe that the sole purpose of the Bible isn't to define Christianity and that it is a mish-mash of writing.
    So far, so good.

    What is Christianity? Define it for me and explain from where Christians get their spiritual reading and instructions?
    There is no scripture 'from God' to help me, or anyone else, do that. The bible was written by men. That's why councils have to be convened and consensus arrived at. Christianity is a man-made religion, and I wasn't part of the committee.

    Islam, on the other hand DOES have a scripture 'from God' to define it. Big difference, mish kiddah?

    You are trying to make a nice run but it won't work. The verses about buying swords and order the killing of the disbelievers in Jesus is very clear. He didn't order his followers to use the swords, why he ordered them to buy? To cut fruits and vegetables.
    Then show me a verse in which he gave the order to use the swords. Name a battle he fought in. In fact, I can show you where he STOPPED his disciple from using his sword.

    I can use the same excuse you do "One-off stories from the OT do NOT constitute an on-going command to kill." However, I won't, Because of this what losers do. They try to write apologetic but pathetic answers. Dual standards, this what is your reply all about.
    Fail. You're obviously trying to paint commands to fight from the Qur'an as being similar to the bible's one-off stories. Epic fail. The Qur'an does contain stories; it contains clear commands. It uses the imperative. It tells Muslims that "fighting is prescribed for you even though you may not like it".
    - See something, say something, get called an Islamophobe.
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    Re: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    So far, so good.



    There is no scripture 'from God' to help me, or anyone else, do that. The bible was written by men. That's why councils have to be convened and consensus arrived at. Christianity is a man-made religion, and I wasn't part of the committee.

    Islam, on the other hand DOES have a scripture 'from God' to define it. Big difference, mish kiddah?



    Then show me a verse in which he gave the order to use the swords. Name a battle he fought in. In fact, I can show you where he STOPPED his disciple from using his sword.



    Fail. You're obviously trying to paint commands to fight from the Qur'an as being similar to the bible's one-off stories. Epic fail. The Qur'an does contain stories; it contains clear commands. It uses the imperative. It tells Muslims that "fighting is prescribed for you even though you may not like it".
    Are you an atheist? I think you are. A lot of Christians claim they are atheists to get away with criticizing Islam. The problem is you recognize that Koran is a scripture from God, why you don't believe in it? Many Christians disagree with you on the Bible not being the scripture from God.
    You failed.

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    Re: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

    Quote Originally Posted by stan1990 View Post
    Are you an atheist? I think you are. A lot of Christians claim they are atheists to get away with criticizing Islam. The problem is you recognize that Koran is a scripture from God, why you don't believe in it? Many Christians disagree with you on the Bible not being the scripture from God.
    You failed.
    You assume much.

    And where did you get the idea there are Christians disguised as Atheists so they can disparage Muslim teachings?
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    Re: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Incorrect.

    You make a fool of yourself weekly.
    You are the one make fool of yourself daily

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    Re: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

    Quote Originally Posted by stan1990 View Post
    You are the one make fool of yourself daily
    Incorrect. As usual.
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    Re: The Islamophobia and the hate industry, search for the money

    Quote Originally Posted by stan1990 View Post
    Are you an atheist? I think you are.
    Yes I am an theist (Btw, that is what is known as answering a direct question. You should try it sometime).

    A lot of Christians claim they are atheists to get away with criticizing Islam. The problem is you recognize that Koran is a scripture from God, why you don't believe in it?
    Every time I make a statement about what the Qur'an is, there is an understood "according to Islamic belief" behind it.

    Many Christians disagree with you on the Bible not being the scripture from God.
    Ok.

    Now, it's your turn. Please complete this discussion:

    You: The verses about buying swords and order the killing of the disbelievers in Jesus is very clear. He didn't order his followers to use the swords, why he ordered them to buy? To cut fruits and vegetables.

    Me: Then show me a verse in which he gave the order to use the swords. Name a battle he fought in. In fact, I can show you where he STOPPED his disciple from using his sword.

    You: Opps, nothing yet. Here's a chance to jump right on that whole answer-a-direct-question thingy.
    - See something, say something, get called an Islamophobe.
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