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Quag and the Angel: a dialogue

Dictator-elect pelosi was questioned about hating our President Trump.

" Love they neighbor as thyself " as quoted in the Bible. Well... pelosi was asked if she hated our President Trump?
First thing out of her pie hole the dictator-elect said "no",a obvious lie. These liberal/Demos waste no time spreading lies and propaganda,wasting time with this impeachment folly. The only "religious" aspect(Quag) and fits this thread is that there is none. Our President said he is a Christian and I feel this may of been his only mistake which given the lowly liberal/Demos artillery to shoot him down and has never worked. This impeachment folly is going to blow them...God is good and on our President's side.
 
PTF said:
Dictator-elect pelosi was questioned about hating our President Trump.

" Love they neighbor as thyself " as quoted in the Bible. Well... pelosi was asked if she hated our President Trump?
First thing out of her pie hole the dictator-elect said "no",a obvious lie. These liberal/Demos waste no time spreading lies and propaganda,wasting time with this impeachment folly. The only "religious" aspect(Quag) and fits this thread is that there is none. Our President said he is a Christian and I feel this may of been his only mistake which given the lowly liberal/Demos artillery to shoot him down and has never worked. This impeachment folly is going to blow them...God is good and on our President's side.
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Yet another completely off topic remark from GFM err I mean PTF
 
PTF said:
Dictator-elect pelosi was questioned about hating our President Trump.

" Love they neighbor as thyself " as quoted in the Bible. Well... pelosi was asked if she hated our President Trump?
First thing out of her pie hole the dictator-elect said "no",a obvious lie. These liberal/Demos waste no time spreading lies and propaganda,wasting time with this impeachment folly. The only "religious" aspect(Quag) and fits this thread is that there is none. Our President said he is a Christian and I feel this may of been his only mistake which given the lowly liberal/Demos artillery to shoot him down and has never worked. This impeachment folly is going to blow them...God is good and on our President's side.
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This post is showing strong signs of partisanship without being rational about it. The key pieces of evidence for that is the use of loaded terms without being able to back up the claim. Once such loaded term is 'Dictator-elect'. Anything else after that can safely be discarded because of the strong prejudice and lack of being rational.
 
RAMOSS said:
This post is showing strong signs of partisanship without being rational about it. The key pieces of evidence for that is the use of loaded terms without being able to back up the claim. Once such loaded term is 'Dictator-elect'. Anything else after that can safely be discarded because of the strong prejudice and lack of being rational.
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That and it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread
 
RAMOSS said:
This post is showing strong signs of partisanship without being rational about it. The key pieces of evidence for that is the use of loaded terms without being able to back up the claim. Once such loaded term is 'Dictator-elect'. Anything else after that can safely be discarded because of the strong prejudice and lack of being rational.
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Partisanship is the unfortunate expectation we perhaps should have of anyone most of the time. It is incredibly easy to fall for your own preferences, to substitute insults to arguments and to convince yourself others are doing this to you but that you are not doing this to them. When someone is trying to explain rather than challenge the behavior or ideas brought forward by the other side and somehow forgets that their own side is also populated with humans, you can tell that something is wrong.

The hard part has never been to point fingers at others. It's always been to point fingers at ourselves.
 
Visbek said:
...and again, you're being unjustifiably selective in your definition, and trying to use your selective definition to win the argument.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Well, you're going to have to address his specific points, rather than say "you used the word 'belief' therefore you lose!!!"
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A definition was used as an explanation of the intent and context that a word carries. It isn't universally absolute but, it is absolute in terms of how the proposer intends to convey a meaning. If someone uses that definition in their own statement then they are entitled to define what they mean by it and are certainly not obligated to have someone else tell them what they mean!

Definitions in this context are used as shorthand to move the conversation quicker, if someone has to repeatedly go back to first principles in the way that you are all currently forcing Quag to then people start to look like they are stalling and being p**cks about definitions.
 
devildavid said:
Just a list of unsubstantiated assertions and emotional reactions. So much for dialogue. Angel doesn't do dialogue, just preaches under the guise of philosophical arguments. And these aren't even valid arguments.

Angel seems to think that arguments create reality, rather than exist in that reality.
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Philosophistry.
 
RAMOSS said:
This post is showing strong signs of partisanship without being rational about it. The key pieces of evidence for that is the use of loaded terms without being able to back up the claim. Once such loaded term is 'Dictator-elect'. Anything else after that can safely be discarded because of the strong prejudice and lack of being rational.
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Obviously my response is too mature for you to grasp but that's okay, I understand. Signs of partisan and irrationality is irrelevant.
 
No matter the skeptics, Religion, President Trump and beliefs in God isn't going away.
 
PTF said:
Obviously my response is too mature for you to grasp but that's okay, I understand. Signs of partisan and irrationality is irrelevant.
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How ironic
 
an argument whose premise is a belief results in a conclusion that is nothing roe tha a belief?
 
Quag said:
an argument whose premise is a belief results in a conclusion that is nothing roe tha a belief?
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What goes into logical form comes out of logical form. A truism. Correct.

But the philosophical rub is that the premises of an argument can only be beliefs of one sort or another.
So your truism doesn't get us very far.
 
Angel said:
What goes into logical form comes out of logical form. A truism. Correct.

But the philosophical rub is that the premises of an argument can only be beliefs of one sort or another.
So your truism doesn't get us very far.
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False, premsises can and shoudl be backed up you refuse to even try thus they are mere opinions (sicne you seem to have a problem with the word beleif Ill use that instead)
 
Quag said:
False, premsises can and shoudl be backed up you refuse to even try thus they are mere opinions (sicne you seem to have a problem with the word beleif Ill use that instead)
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Premises will always be made up of beliefs, and so on your view that beliefs are mere opinions, no argument can move beyond the category of opinion.
 
Angel said:
Premises will always be made up of beliefs, and so on your view that beliefs are mere opinions, no argument can move beyond the category of opinion.
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Thats is false premsies can be backed up and shown to be true. Just becusae you cannot do so with any that you use to prove God doesnt mean it is not possible
 
Quag said:
Thats is false premsies can be backed up and shown to be true. Just becusae you cannot do so with any that you use to prove God doesnt mean it is not possible
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If premises are beliefs and beliefs are opinions, then no premise can be "shown to be true."
Let's take your claim: "That is false."
If that is your belief and belief is opinion, there is no way that you can show "That is false" to be true.
Try it. Show "That is false" to be true.
 
Angel said:
If premises are beliefs and beliefs are opinions, then no premise can be "shown to be true."
Let's take your claim: "That is false."
If that is your belief and belief is opinion, there is no way that you can show "That is false" to be true.
Try it. Show "That is false" to be true.
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Strawman!!!!!!
I said premsies are beleifs I said: an argument whose premise is a belief results in a conclusion that is nothing more tha a belief.
 
Quag said:
Strawman!!!!!!
I said premsies are beleifs I said: an argument whose premise is a belief results in a conclusion that is nothing more tha a belief.
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And you said:
Quag said:
I will stick to my definition of belief which is really nothing more than opinion
Any argument based on a belief or opinion results in a conclusion that is a belief or opinion...
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No strawman. I'm representing your view just as you stated it.
 
Angel said:
And you said:

No strawman. I'm representing your view just as you stated it.
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Yes a strawman because you are taking that statement and pretending I said that ALL premises are beliefs/opinions which is false
 
Quag said:
Yes a strawman because you are taking that statement and pretending I said that ALL premises are beliefs/opinions which is false
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No what I'm saying is that you' said that all beliefs are opinions, and I'm saying that given that all premises are beliefs, discourse on your terms is terminated.
 
Angel said:
No what I'm saying is that you' said that all beliefs are opinions, and I'm saying that given that all premises are beliefs, discourse on your terms is terminated.
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You are still trying to make a strawman
All premises are not beliefs as I used the term as you well know
 
Angel said:
Like what?
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What do you mean like what?
Like anything that is proven as opposed to just claimed to be true without any reason to accept it as such

Are you really just gonna divert this rather than deal with the glarinmg propblem with your proofs?
 
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