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Christ's philosophy, and what makes him real...

If Ceasar had not crossed the Rubicon, the Empire would have fallen far sooner. At least, that was my distinct impression after working my way through Gibbon and a bunch of other works. (He always gets blamed for destroying the republic, but the republic was effectively dead at least 100 years beforehand. The Patrician-Plebian divides were growing apace. I don't see much reason to think it could have lasted as a republic that much longer). Without imperial control, Rome would have had a lot tougher time holding onto territory and keeping the various Goths, Ostrogoths, Sycthians, etc., at bay. I suspect it'd have fallen far sooner, perhaps even before establishing a solid eastern section.

And if the Empire had fallen far sooner (I'd guesstimate maybe 100 AD), there's a good chance that Christianity would not have spread anywhere near as widely, and thus, any "Jesus" - historical or imagined - would not have nearly as much impact.

It's a fair point.







Well, not just that. Pagan-Christian strife between citizens was its own problem, as well. But yes, it was a political move. (ie, so too was the Council of Nicea and the decision to side with Athanasius).

The Republic was indeed in trouble, it was suffering from the same ailments our own republic is suffering from. An elite class of nobility usurping wealth and influence from the institutions that govern the Republic.
 
This is not a discussion of the Bible, never will be...

This is the philosophy and underlying morality of Jesus' philosophy.

All of your questions about what Jesus would support concerning immigrants, rests on false assumptions and quite frankly racism. You contribution to this thread so far is a joke.

Let me help you, either demonstrate that Jesus' personal philosophy does those things by breaking down his sermon and parables, or go start another thread more in line with what your imaginary friend stands for...

Racism my butt. You must be a liberal or at least think like one. Because you guys always play the racism card, and most of the time you're wrong.
 
Racism my butt. You must be a liberal or at least think like one. Because you guys always play the racism card, and most of the time you're wrong.

You're using racist dog whistles that have been proven false to everyone but racist people.

IE. When facts are presented and you still believe a certain thing, it's not because it's true, it's because you're biased. IE racism. I get, that you can't admit it. But, damn, don't act like it's not obvious to just about anyone that can read above a third grade level.
 
You're using racist dog whistles that have been proven false to everyone but racist people.

IE. When facts are presented and you still believe a certain thing, it's not because it's true, it's because you're biased. IE racism. I get, that you can't admit it. But, damn, don't act like it's not obvious to just about anyone that can read above a third grade level.

Take your knee-jerk, jack-legged race card on down the pike, and keep it there.
 
Take your knee-jerk, jack-legged race card on down the pike, and keep it there.

How bout you take your anti immigrant racist propaganda down the pike, and keep it there. Everyone here would be thankful for it.
 
How bout you take your anti immigrant racist propaganda down the pike, and keep it there. Everyone here would be thankful for it.

Typical liberal nonsense.

Upholding laws passed by Democrats and Republicans both to secure our borders against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is not racism. Get a new dog. Yours doesn't hunt.
 
I am going to give you all a rare glimpse into my private belief system. Why? Because I smoked a lot of weed about 10 minutes ago. And this seems like a good idea.

I don't believe in the traditional concept of God, or Gods (plural). More like I subscribe to Carl Sagan's observation. We are the Universe contemplating itself. The Universe operates on a cycle of expansion and contraction. And life began on the quantum level, in it's chaos the first spark of life happened, and grew from there.

Those are just ideas I subscribe to, I can't even call them beliefs. Because to believe something is to give it power over you. And none of these ideas hold power over me. A little evidence, or a more plausible scenario, and I'll change my mind.

But I still think Jesus Christ is real. Not the son of God, but one of the greatest philosophers and teachers the world has ever known.

Can I prove he was born? No. Can I prove historically, he was a person who existed and lead a life as described in the Bible. No.

How can I say he is Real.

The same way Super man is real. The same way the version of George Washington we teach in school is real. Human imagination makes them real. Whether Jesus was a real boy, or the work of Roman Priests, it doesn't matter. His story, and ideas changed the world. Not because people believed he was the son of god. But because of his teachings inspire the best in each of us.

Anyone who has seriously studied history, will realize, none of it's concrete. The people of each time create their own history based on what they want passed down. Just as we create our perfect versions of ourselves on social media. Because that is what will be recorded of us in history.

In 2,000 years who is to say, people will believe Captain America was a real person. And would that be such a bad thing?

Whether Jesus the Christ was real or not he still had/has influence in today's world. I view this as Jesus was just a man and The Christ is what he was. When one strips away all the dogma of his teachings his teachings were very simple, basically stating for mankind to recognize the God that they already are. In the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus tells Thomas to drink of me, and you will become me and I'll become you and I will reveal to you all this hidden. Most have become to see Jesus as the lamp and have become blinded to the light. They view Jesus as the "savior" of man, while all along all Jesus was doing was pointing the direction to mankind's salvation, they have stopped looking in the direction and are fixated on the finger doing the pointing.
 
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