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    The Nature of Reality

    Simple question, what evidential basis is there for me to reasonably accept that reality is not material?

    My position is that I do not accept assertions of this kind made without reasonable evidence so, apart from trying to argue an immaterial reality into existence what is there?

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    Re: The Nature of Reality

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    Simple question, what evidential basis is there for me to reasonably accept that reality is not material?

    My position is that I do not accept assertions of this kind made without reasonable evidence so, apart from trying to argue an immaterial reality into existence what is there?
    The evidence of your own conscious existence.
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    Re: The Nature of Reality

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    Simple question, what evidential basis is there for me to reasonably accept that reality is not material?

    My position is that I do not accept assertions of this kind made without reasonable evidence so, apart from trying to argue an immaterial reality into existence what is there?
    The evidence of quantum laws.
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    Re: The Nature of Reality

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    Simple question, what evidential basis is there for me to reasonably accept that reality is not material?

    My position is that I do not accept assertions of this kind made without reasonable evidence so, apart from trying to argue an immaterial reality into existence what is there?
    Empiricism supports Idealism, not Materialism.
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    Re: The Nature of Reality

    Material reality is the construction; it needs the argument, not idealism, which is self-evident and fundamental.
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    Re: The Nature of Reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Empiricism supports Idealism, not Materialism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Material reality is the construction; it needs the argument, not idealism, which is self-evident and fundamental.
    There is zero evidential support for this view. It is belief based on wishful thinking. Idealism is make believe. Reality is what you face every day while dreaming there is something better.
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    Re: The Nature of Reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The evidence of your own conscious existence.
    Do you have evidence that consciousness is not simply a byproduct of evolution?
    And there's no need to worry since everything is mostly nothing;
    or so I'm told by an angel in a white lab coat

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    Re: The Nature of Reality

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The evidence of quantum laws.
    Which ones?
    And there's no need to worry since everything is mostly nothing;
    or so I'm told by an angel in a white lab coat

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    Re: The Nature of Reality

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Which ones?
    The ones Lawrence Krauss means.
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    Re: The Nature of Reality

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    Simple question, what evidential basis is there for me to reasonably accept that reality is not material?
    My position is that I do not accept assertions of this kind made without reasonable evidence so, apart from trying to argue an immaterial reality into existence what is there?
    I feel your position is not quite strong enough to be entirely reasonable.
    The concept of "material" as contrasted with "immaterial", is reasonably indistinguishable from the concept of real (an element of reality, but generally we can just say *reality*.)
    Material is real.
    Immaterial is not real.

    So you are writing "What evidence is there, that reality is not real".

    First, that's absurd on its face because the concept of reality is axiomatic to reason, it's true whether we like it or not, evidence or not, it simply is.
    Reality is.

    What is evidence? Evidence (concerning reality) is some body of knowledge/facts about reality that are ultimately based on observations of....reality. Can there logically be evidence in reality, of something that is not real?

    By definition, there cannot be. You do not need to ask "is there", because it's illogical.
    You do not have to admit there is a "possibility", because there is none, logically.


    Imagine having an argument about reality, where we deny the axiom of reality. It's nonsensical. We'd be doing so in reality.
    We'd be denying reality, as we ponder in reality..
    Last edited by Mach; 01-26-19 at 02:21 PM.

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