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    Do ideologies do more harm than good?

    Most people don't fit perfectly into an ideology, but it can be a convenient way of organizing groups of ideas. Of course, once one identifies with an ideology, they're often considered an embodiment of anything and everything in that ideology even though almost no one agrees with every aspect of most ideologies, for example, Liberalism or Conservatism. And ideologies often change over time causing confusion. So, what do you think...do they do more harm than good?

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    Re: Do ideologies do more harm than good?

    The short answer is yes. Ideologies all illogically assume that everything fits their view.
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    Re: Do ideologies do more harm than good?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Most people don't fit perfectly into an ideology, but it can be a convenient way of organizing groups of ideas. Of course, once one identifies with an ideology, they're often considered an embodiment of anything and everything in that ideology even though almost no one agrees with every aspect of most ideologies, for example, Liberalism or Conservatism. And ideologies often change over time causing confusion. So, what do you think...do they do more harm than good?
    As a socialist i use the ideology of socialism a nothing more than a rule of thumb, a base to start from rather than rules to be obeyed. The irony is that the right wing conservatives of america who oppose socialism in any form absolutely insist that we must follow the ideology blindly, obediently and without thinking about it.

    So, my answer is yes. In the hands of those who oppose an ideology it is a harmful thing.

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    Re: Do ideologies do more harm than good?

    As a coherent system of ideas, an ideology is a necessary outgrowth of rationality, and as long as the capacity for critical thinking is not overridden a qualified good.
    When critical thinking is barred by ideology, it becomes an unqualified evil.
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    Re: Do ideologies do more harm than good?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Most people don't fit perfectly into an ideology, but it can be a convenient way of organizing groups of ideas. Of course, once one identifies with an ideology, they're often considered an embodiment of anything and everything in that ideology even though almost no one agrees with every aspect of most ideologies, for example, Liberalism or Conservatism. And ideologies often change over time causing confusion. So, what do you think...do they do more harm than good?
    Ideologies are platforms, and good or harm depends upon the mission of the platform. This country was founded and exists upon an ideology of liberty, one (man) one vote and the freedom to engage any path or the government. Was it good or bad do you think? Marxism likewise was an ideology based on social ownership of goods and services and the sharing benefits and responsibilities; was that a good ideology or a bad one? Or was it a good ideology led by people with bad intentions? Nazism is self explanatory.

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    Re: Do ideologies do more harm than good?

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    As a socialist i use the ideology of socialism a nothing more than a rule of thumb, a base to start from rather than rules to be obeyed. The irony is that the right wing conservatives of america who oppose socialism in any form absolutely insist that we must follow the ideology blindly, obediently and without thinking about it.

    So, my answer is yes. In the hands of those who oppose an ideology it is a harmful thing.
    That is very much where I come from as well; I am primarily socialist but, if I apply socialist principles to a problem or issue and it doesn't make sense then I think again. It is the antithesis of what is being argued in other places on here regarding 'objective morality' for example; which is simply cheer leading for an ideological purity rather than a rational basis to actually organise ourselves politically and socially. As has already been said, the problem is not necessarily with ideology as an intellectual tool for grouping a set of principles so much as the tribalism that accompanies it both for and against. Try saying that Anarchism has some good ideas that we might learn from around here and you will soon find the limitations of free thought and how people are unable to detach ideas from tribes.

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    Re: Do ideologies do more harm than good?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    That is very much where I come from as well; I am primarily socialist but, if I apply socialist principles to a problem or issue and it doesn't make sense then I think again. It is the antithesis of what is being argued in other places on here regarding 'objective morality' for example; which is simply cheer leading for an ideological purity rather than a rational basis to actually organise ourselves politically and socially. As has already been said, the problem is not necessarily with ideology as an intellectual tool for grouping a set of principles so much as the tribalism that accompanies it both for and against. Try saying that Anarchism has some good ideas that we might learn from around here and you will soon find the limitations of free thought and how people are unable to detach ideas from tribes.
    Agreed. I have argued in favour of anarchism, socialism and communism. Each time i meet the same obstacle of an opponent insisting that their belief of the ideology is the only ideology that counts.

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    Re: Do ideologies do more harm than good?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Most people don't fit perfectly into an ideology, but it can be a convenient way of organizing groups of ideas. Of course, once one identifies with an ideology, they're often considered an embodiment of anything and everything in that ideology even though almost no one agrees with every aspect of most ideologies, for example, Liberalism or Conservatism. And ideologies often change over time causing confusion. So, what do you think...do they do more harm than good?
    No, they don't do more harm. Established ideologies are the representation of concerted human effort to carve a logical set of ideas out of the chaos of human thought.
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    Re: Do ideologies do more harm than good?

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    Agreed. I have argued in favour of anarchism, socialism and communism. Each time i meet the same obstacle of an opponent insisting that their belief of the ideology is the only ideology that counts.
    Which only means you have dscovered the fatal flaw of ideology. It is always based on belief, which is based on personal preference. All ideology is an illusion.
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    Re: Do ideologies do more harm than good?

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    Which only means you have dscovered the fatal flaw of ideology. It is always based on belief, which is based on personal preference. All ideology is an illusion.
    No, that is the fatal flaw of the person who has no idea of the ideology apart from what he has been told about it.
    Ideology is not an illusion, it is a discussion point. Somewhere to begin thinking about certain ideas.

    It is the person who becomes a fanatic about an ideology and will only treat it as if it is gospel, never to be changed or tampered with that the ideology then becomes something bad.

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