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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    Are you speaking metaphorically there?

    It's difficult to know when people are being opaque by using metaphors, often for mendacious reasons. Makes a nice TV series but, doesn't work so well when you need to be precise and say what you mean, so that you are then forced to stand by a concept rather than be vague and give yourself some wriggle room to back out or, simply to be vague so that you can string people along.
    Metaphors are the language of poetry, spirituality and dreams and can be considered a universal language that transcends boundaries. For example, if you have a dream in which you are caught in a spider web, that would be universally recognized as a message that the dreamer feels trapped and helpless. You don't need actual words to convey the message.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertU View Post
    Metaphors are the language of poetry, spirituality and dreams and can be considered a universal language that transcends boundaries. For example, if you have a dream in which you are caught in a spider web, that would be universally recognized as a message that the dreamer feels trapped and helpless. You don't need actual words to convey the message.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    Are you speaking metaphorically there?

    It's difficult to know when people are being opaque by using metaphors, often for mendacious reasons. Makes a nice TV series but, doesn't work so well when you need to be precise and say what you mean, so that you are then forced to stand by a concept rather than be vague and give yourself some wriggle room to back out or, simply to be vague so that you can string people along.
    Your post suggests that you are not acquainted with the great poets. You might want to see to that.
    On the other hand, all language is metaphorical in nature. So you might want to rethink your position whether or not you dip into poetry.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertU View Post
    Metaphors are the language of poetry, spirituality and dreams and can be considered a universal language that transcends boundaries. For example, if you have a dream in which you are caught in a spider web, that would be universally recognized as a message that the dreamer feels trapped and helpless. You don't need actual words to convey the message.
    Or the dreamer could have a death wish. Or fallen asleep reading Lord Of The Flies. Or seen the movie The Fly. There are many possibilities.

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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by zyzygy View Post
    Or the dreamer could have a death wish. Or fallen asleep reading Lord Of The Flies. Or seen the movie The Fly. There are many possibilities.
    Or simply tangled up in their sheets.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Your post suggests that you are not acquainted with the great poets. You might want to see to that.
    On the other hand, all language is metaphorical in nature. So you might want to rethink your position whether or not you dip into poetry.
    The ingredients written on the side of a cereal box are metaphorical. What does it all mean?
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    To me, it speaks of the ineffable. I had a near death experience that drove that home.

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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    The ingredients written on the side of a cereal box are metaphorical. What does it all mean?
    All language is metaphorical. On what it all means, I'm afraid you missed the boat. I'll draw up a reading list for you if you find God.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    I think he was saying that there are some things we can't put into words, so we are silent.

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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post

    All language is metaphorical. On what it all means, I'm afraid you missed the boat. I'll draw up a reading list for you if you find God.
    All language includes deity metaphors...

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