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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    So we use language to express that we can't use language?
    ^^^^Case in point.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    ^^^^Case in point.
    Now, that's ineffable. We use language to create a word that telsl us we must abritarily not use language because some people get hung up on certain imaginary things that they arbitrarily have decided fit the definition of a word that has no real practical application.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    Now, that's ineffable. We use language to create a word that telsl us we must abritarily not use language because some people get hung up on certain imaginary things that they arbitrarily have decided fit the definition of a word that has no real practical application.
    ^^^^Case 2.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    ^^^^Case 2.
    ^^^^^^Head case.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    ^^^^^^Head case.
    ^^^^Case closed.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    So we use language to express that we can't use language?
    What other means are there? Let's see, there's art, music, mathematics. Language seems intuitively to be the means of choice, don't you think?
    One could say with some cogency that art and music, in the right hands, might express the ineffable.
    Mathematics, of course, might express the Mind of God.

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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    What other means are there? Let's see, there's art, music, mathematics. Language seems intuitively to be the means of choice, don't you think?
    One could say with some cogency that art and music, in the right hands, might express the ineffable.
    Mathematics, of course, might express the Mind of God.

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    Ineffable is a word, invented and defined by man. Maybe belching expresses it.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    Ineffable is a word, invented and defined by man. Maybe belching expresses it.
    What is your point for Chrissakes? You keep repeating the language is an invention of Man. So what? What is your point?
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    This reminds me a bit of the episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation in which the crew of the Enterprise could not figure out the language of an alien race until they finally realized the aliens spoke entirely in metaphors.
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    Re: The Limits of Language

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertU View Post
    This reminds me a bit of the episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation in which the crew of the Enterprise could not figure out the language of an alien race until they finally realized the aliens spoke entirely in metaphors.
    Are you speaking metaphorically there?

    It's difficult to know when people are being opaque by using metaphors, often for mendacious reasons. Makes a nice TV series but, doesn't work so well when you need to be precise and say what you mean, so that you are then forced to stand by a concept rather than be vague and give yourself some wriggle room to back out or, simply to be vague so that you can string people along.

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