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    Re: Can you prove that the Space is real?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackMatters View Post
    But has anything really traveled through space? How do you know this?

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    Re: Can you prove that the Space is real?

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    Re: Can you prove that the Space is real?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I contend that there is no space. That every pocket of area is filled. With something. Dark matter? Maybe. All mass, all area, in the universe, is filled.


    With something.
    Umm....well, no, because you need something like a neutron star for something close to that.

    Anyway, what is "filled" by this mass/energy you postulate other than space? Riiiiight. Even if everything was matter, that matter would be occupying space.



    But you may still be accidentally correct. "Dark Matter" is the fudge that helps cosmology/etc account for the state of the universe. There needs to be that much mass - or that much of something else with mass-like effects - to account for it.

    Meanwhile "dark energy" accounts for the increasing rate of expansion of the universe. Again, it's another fudge. But it would fit your criteria in that it would exist in all space. The debate appears to be about whether it's in cosmological constant form or scalar field form.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

    But, simply put, it would occupy all of the space that exists if it exists.

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    Re: Can you prove that the Space is real?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackMatters View Post
    But has anything really traveled through space? How do you know this?
    You typed on something to make that post. If space did not exist, there would not be movement, speed, velocity, etc etc etc.

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    Re: Can you prove that the Space is real?

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    Re: Can you prove that the Space is real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Umm....well, no, because you need something like a neutron star for something close to that.

    Anyway, what is "filled" by this mass/energy you postulate other than space? Riiiiight. Even if everything was matter, that matter would be occupying space.



    But you may still be accidentally correct. "Dark Matter" is the fudge that helps cosmology/etc account for the state of the universe. There needs to be that much mass - or that much of something else with mass-like effects - to account for it.

    Meanwhile "dark energy" accounts for the increasing rate of expansion of the universe. Again, it's another fudge. But it would fit your criteria in that it would exist in all space. The debate appears to be about whether it's in cosmological constant form or scalar field form.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

    But, simply put, it would occupy all of the space that exists if it exists.
    That's what I mean. I was thinking about heat transfers from one object to another until they reach equilibrium. Heat, or energy, needs....SOMETHING...to travel through. Here on earth, we can account for it, the planet has an atmosphere, filled with gas. Energy of various forms travel through that gas, either exciting the molecules, or being reflected back as impermeable, or eventually hits solids. Transferring that energy. Why is the same not true in an environment lacking atmosphere or gas?

    We know gravity affects light. But we don't quite know what Gravity IS. Could gravity then be voids...spots in space that ARE truly empty, and therefor, provide the path of least resistance, pulling things into them. Nature abhors a vacuum.

    Maybe all the planets aren't accidents, but hollow spots in space, creating the effect we call gravity. The larger/stronger ones becoming stars...but this would imply that these hollow spots are also effected by the pull of others....solar systems and galaxies follow a pretty universal orbital pattern.
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    Re: Can you prove that the Space is real?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackMatters View Post
    But has anything really traveled through space? How do you know this?
    You can see the sun, can't you?
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    Re: Can you prove that the Space is real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    Depends on how deep we want to dig. We could be living in a computer simulation, in which case the only thing I can know with absolute certainty is that consciousness exists.

    But setting that speculation aside, it is also possible that at scales beyond our ability to measure, there is no such thing as empty space.
    Far as know, I'm the only one conscious....all the rest of you are just programs to fool me into believing I'm not alone.
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    Re: Can you prove that the Space is real?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackMatters View Post
    Outerspace.
    You can see it with an astronomical telescope.

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    Re: Can you prove that the Space is real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Umm....well, no, because you need something like a neutron star for something close to that.

    Anyway, what is "filled" by this mass/energy you postulate other than space? Riiiiight. Even if everything was matter, that matter would be occupying space.



    But you may still be accidentally correct. "Dark Matter" is the fudge that helps cosmology/etc account for the state of the universe. There needs to be that much mass - or that much of something else with mass-like effects - to account for it.

    Meanwhile "dark energy" accounts for the increasing rate of expansion of the universe. Again, it's another fudge. But it would fit your criteria in that it would exist in all space. The debate appears to be about whether it's in cosmological constant form or scalar field form.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

    But, simply put, it would occupy all of the space that exists if it exists.
    There is of course quantum foam.

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