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    Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Are Public Schools designed to be propaganda systems to indoctrinate the young or are the overwhelming majority of the Adult population (i.e. parents, teachers, principles, school administration, politicians, US Secretary of Education, ect.) really so ignorant/stupid that they do not recognize the blatant miseducation/abuse that is occurring year after year, generation after generation, ect.? Or, do you challenge the premise of the question entirely? Thoughts?

    As a reference, see short video where Linguist/Commentator Noam Chomsky discusses the Public Education System: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqMAlgAnlo

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    Re: Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Quote Originally Posted by xMathFanx View Post
    Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Are Public Schools designed to be propaganda systems to indoctrinate the young or are the overwhelming majority of the Adult population (i.e. parents, teachers, principles, school administration, politicians, US Secretary of Education, ect.) really so ignorant/stupid that they do not recognize the blatant miseducation/abuse that is occurring year after year, generation after generation, ect.? Or, do you challenge the premise of the question entirely? Thoughts?

    As a reference, see short video where Linguist/Commentator Noam Chomsky discusses the Public Education System: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqMAlgAnlo
    Please don't start a new thread every 12 minutes.

    Public Schools aren't designed to be propaganda systems, they can however be used to propagate some misinformation. However, access to internet, public libraries and good parenting are all adequate ways to combat this possibility.
    I personally think the new generation is less likely to be influenced by the government. Most millenials fact-check and get information from various websites. Self-education it seems is on a rise.

    We need to teach our kids the value of critical thinking and sources. We also should point out the political biases in the way some facts are presented. Nuance is key.


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    Re: Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cisero View Post
    Please don't start a new thread every 12 minutes.
    Noted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cisero View Post
    Public Schools aren't designed to be propaganda systems, they can however be used to propagate some misinformation.
    Agreed. However, does this not suggest that the majority to vast majority of adults in essentially any given community simply are effectively clueless about the knowledge and effective thought processes that have been discovered/invented by now in the modern world? Is this majority fit to "teach" the next generation? Are there not viable alternatives to the current system? Is "home schooling" potentially a viable alternative to the current public schools? E-learning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cisero View Post
    However, access to internet, public libraries and good parenting are all adequate ways to combat this possibility.
    I personally think the new generation is less likely to be influenced by the government. Most millenials fact-check and get information from various websites. Self-education it seems is on a rise.
    In fact, e-learning has democratized learning and made the highest quality education (in a number of areas) available to everyone. With projects such as MITOpencourseware, Yale/Harvard/UC/ect. opencourseware, MOOC's, ect. even a person anywhere in the world caught up in extreme poverty (as long as they have access to the internet in some way) has access to an elite level education. Also, public domain book projects such as OpenLibrary.org (along with public Library Systems), public libraries (including e-book checkouts, online audio books, ect.) and other outlets have made it so you have access to essentially all of the worlds knowledge for free. That is, in the modern era, there are countless resources available that thoroughly teach any given technical subject area for free or a limited fee, and would prove to be an invaluable asset in learning material (either for formal training/school or self-study).

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    We need to teach our kids the value of critical thinking and sources. We also should point out the political biases in the way some facts are presented. Nuance is key.
    I partially agree with this, although this is where we seem to diverge. That is, I agree that "we need to teach our kids the value of critical thinking and sources", however I do not agree that this is at all seriously on the agenda. Let me explain (Note, this will be posted in 2 parts):

    The huge difficulty with this is that the number of stupid/ignorant/stubborn people vastly outnumber the amount of reasonable people. So, changing the education system (which absolutely needs to happen) is much easier said than done considering the overwhelming majority of the people who teach the next generations in society through public education are imbeciles, and the parents of the children themselves are overwhelmingly imbeciles (this is how the current system is in place to begin with). Also, the majority of adults are so attached to their infantile superstitious beliefs that they think learning science is "dry", "scary", "cold", "devoid of any deep meaning/feeling" and don't want their kids to learn it either for these reasons. Furthermore, the leaders of the business world and governments (the powerful classes) have a vested interested in keeping the populace misinformed, uneducated, unintelligent, conditioned toward obedience, ect.

    As of right now, the education system is so bad and the adults are so stupid/ignorant/arrogant that they can't even let the kids come in to school and watch credible lectures, documentaries, OpenCourseware or point them in the right direction with people to look up, book recommendations, the fundamental questions that any given topic is exploring , ect. The kids would be naturally drawn to this information if they were exposed to it, they simply are not exposed to it because there is an obscurantism at work that is pervasive in our society (and world wide). Instead, in the current system, children growing up through their teenage years into young adulthood are subjected to a Perpetual Firehose of Bull**** through the "education" system and the "mature" adults in our societies.

    (End of Part 1--See Part 2)...

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    Re: Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    (Part 2)...


    People have been strongly primed to believe that magical type thinking is "wonderful", "beautiful", "interesting", "hopeful", "fun" ect. due to things like Sana Claus, Easter Bunny, Superhero tv/comics, Harry Potter type Sci-Fi, ect. ect. Although these things in-and-of-themselves are not harmful (and can be enriching in many ways), when combined with not be expose to the real world, how it actually is and the methods by which we have determined our limited range of knowledge thus far, then the magic show becomes extremely pernicious and confines ones worldview to a Disney Channel Snow Globe of a World.


    After people hit a certain age there is going to be a level of courage required of people in order to break free of the Disney Channel Snow Globe World for which they have always resided. We are in difficult times because we cannot allow people to program their children with this primitive mindset and we also cannot force them to teach their children a certain way either without becoming completely tyrannical. Even people who have the potential to be intelligent (or highly-intelligent) and make real contributions to society/progress are being reduced to half-mentally disabled, chimp-human hybrids that are destroying society/the upcoming generations (and it is sad/alarming because I have seen a lot of this at Uni. particularly in the technical subjects). The overwhelming bulk of the adult population are oblivious to just how breathtakingly unrespectable people they are for indoctrinated their kids into their bullsh't and how they comport themselves in life more broadly.

    I called them "Chimp-Human Hybrids", because Homo Sapiens living in the 21st century fails to truly capture it. Brain Development in Humans/Homo Sapiens is an important factor here, because one does not truly acquire the unique characteristics that make us "Human" until you are in your low to mid twenties or so when frontal lobe development is completed. Now, there are many factors that can potentially "derail" this development such as excessive alcohol abuse, chronic stress, social isolation, other types of drug abuse, ect. I think that due to the way our society is structured, a huge bulk of peoples brains are not becoming properly/fully developed and confine them to a stage of quasi-Homo Sapiens (e.i. more like an adolescent or quasi-adolescent brain) for the entirety of their life. Now, it would be highly probable that said people are unable to recognize the failure of their brains to fully mature since their mind-space would have complete continuity from their adolescents-young adulthood-adulthood, and simply think that "this is how things are" while failing to realize that a "shift" should have been felt at some point in their twenties to thirty that is significantly different than that of the teenage mind/brain.

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    Re: Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Quote Originally Posted by xMathFanx View Post
    Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Are Public Schools designed to be propaganda systems to indoctrinate the young or are the overwhelming majority of the Adult population (i.e. parents, teachers, principles, school administration, politicians, US Secretary of Education, ect.) really so ignorant/stupid that they do not recognize the blatant miseducation/abuse that is occurring year after year, generation after generation, ect.? Or, do you challenge the premise of the question entirely? Thoughts?
    I'm not sure schools are purposefully, or rather, thoughtfully, designed to be camps of indoctrination -- but they certainly are.

    Schools our main method of social engineering -- our method of raising the future generations to be the most productive yet compliant as possible, but I doubt that the teachers/administrators/school board members look at their role in that manner. Because, they too (most of them) are also products of that social engineering system.

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    Re: Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Quoting Cisero...
    " We need to teach our kids the value of critical thinking and sources. We also should point out the political biases in the way some facts are presented. Nuance is key. "

    Those who are inner city public schools should be doing this and perhaps the grade levels would rise. I may add it depends upon the materials available.
    " Please don't start a new thread every 12 minutes. "
    Why not ?
    The idea is to post new threads for discussions.
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    Re: Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    In my opinion, yes. I am a high school teacher.

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    Re: Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Quote Originally Posted by xMathFanx View Post
    Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Are Public Schools designed to be propaganda systems to indoctrinate the young or are the overwhelming majority of the Adult population (i.e. parents, teachers, principles, school administration, politicians, US Secretary of Education, ect.) really so ignorant/stupid that they do not recognize the blatant miseducation/abuse that is occurring year after year, generation after generation, ect.? Or, do you challenge the premise of the question entirely? Thoughts?

    As a reference, see short video where Linguist/Commentator Noam Chomsky discusses the Public Education System: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqMAlgAnlo
    Don't all education systems do this? I'll accept that public schools don't put enough emphasis on critical thinking, but I doubt the private Catholic school in my area is much better. Why would e-learning necessarily be better? Is e-learning necessarily less biased than anything else?

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    Re: Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrPeanut View Post
    Don't all education systems do this? I'll accept that public schools don't put enough emphasis on critical thinking, but I doubt the private Catholic school in my area is much better. Why would e-learning necessarily be better? Is e-learning necessarily less biased than anything else?
    I completely agree with you about the Private schools (mostly, there are a few decent private schools--e.g. Bronx School of Science, ect.), particularly Religious Private schools such as you mentioned. E-learning is a completely different matter.

    E-learning has democratized learning and made the highest quality education (in a number of areas) available to everyone. With projects such as MITOpencourseware, Yale/Harvard/UC/ect. opencourseware, MOOC's, ect. even a person anywhere in the world caught up in extreme poverty (as long as they have access to the internet in some way) has access to an elite level education. Also, public domain book projects such as OpenLibrary.org (along with public Library Systems), and other outlets have made it so you have access to essentially all of the worlds knowledge for free.

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    Re: Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

    Our system of public education is designed to provide a basic level of education to the greatest number of people using a factory system centered on the assumption and expectation that most people will learn at the same rate, at the same time and grouping by age is the best and most economical way to achieve that. A further assumption is that the exceptions to that basic assumption do not matter compared to the vast majority.

    This has been the system in effect from the beginning of mass public education in America and more or less continues today with minor modifications and small adjustments.
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