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Do secret worlds exist?

what is the argument against that? is it absolute?

I have no idea.. however, just because something might be infinite doesn't mean the can be or will be duplicates
 
because it's interesting to have a theoretical discussion about the way our realm works and what might be outside of it / parallel to it.

Nah, it's just fun. It doesn't really take much thought and it really isn't that interesting. Unless make believe things are interesting.
 
Of course they exist. There are 7.6 billion secret worlds today, and counting.

What is in our brains is not worlds, but it is secret. I think worlds in this context means physical worlds, not imaginary ones.
 
Actually, physicist Hugh Everett first formulated the Many Worlds interpretation (the relative-state formulation as it was then called) in 1957. After Everett's new idea was discounted by his peers, he left Princeton to work at the Pentagon. Everett never again returned to theoretical quantum physics and died at the age of 51.
 
I have no idea.. however, just because something might be infinite doesn't mean the can be or will be duplicates

i find that it's kind of difficult to wrap your mind around it. i wonder about the scope of a multiverse.
 
i find that it's kind of difficult to wrap your mind around it. i wonder about the scope of a multiverse.

I have to wonder about the scope of this one! There are many things I wonder about that I know I'll never get an answer.
 
in an infinitely large system, probability. any probability above zero multiplied by infinity would be infinity. this assumes an infinitely large number of multiverses, however. who knows if that's the case?

It's almost *impossible* to conceive that in a universe as large as ours that other planets with life do not exist. Intelligent life forms would have the same physical problem we have with traveling the vast distances between solar systems in a reasonable amount of time. It's as if the universe didn't want separate species interacting, until they had reached a super level of intellect. Other dimensions would also seem probable but not necessarily inhabited.

I read a theory that our universe was a singular conscious living entity that gives our life forms conscious awareness and lives vicariously through us as separate beings. Like a drop of water from an endless ocean, with all the same qualities, except we develop individual personalities and that we all eventually return to the source.
 
I have to wonder about the scope of this one! There are many things I wonder about that I know I'll never get an answer.

i also wonder about that. at least some of it is directly observable.
 
I have to wonder about the scope of this one! There are many things I wonder about that I know I'll never get an answer.
Only thing that doesn't pose a conundrum for me being, that before we concern ourselves with the somewhat related question of whether there's intelligent life elsewhere, the realization that it would be more prudent trying to find it here (Earth) first of all.:mrgreen:
 
But you know about them, eh? You must be very special.

Well, I am both a reader and a thinker, so sort of anymore.....I dont remember who told me about it first but it was Ram Dass who cause me to really take note.
 
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Well, I am both a reader and a thinker, so sort of anymore.....I dont remember who told me about it first but it was Ram Dass who cause me to really take note.
Where you as stoned as he was at the time?
 

I feel sorry for the youth of today, even in the 80's alternative ways to think were getting beaten down pretty good so it was getting rare and hard to find, the result being that today's intelligentsia is extremely ignorant but is too ignorant to know....and too full of themselves to care as well of course.

It is really hard to see how this society will regain its vigor.

We surely do suck now.

BIG PAIN I THINK.

That will work.
 
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I feel sorry for the youth of today, even in the 80's alternative ways to think were getting beaten down pretty good so it was getting rare and hard to find, the result being that today's intelligentsia is extremely ignorant but is too ignorant to know.

It is really hard to see how this society will regain its vigor.

We surely do suck now.

Speak for yourself. Alternative thinking through LSD is a losers game. We are smarter than ever. We have dispensed with mushy psychedelic anti-intellectualism and are better off for it.
 
Speak for yourself. Alternative thinking through LSD is a losers game. We are smarter than ever. We have dispensed with mushy psychedelic anti-intellectualism and are better off for it.

Then why are we individually and collectively such a mess?

You might want to conduct a rethink yee optimistic one.
 
Then why are we individually and collectively such a mess?

You might want to conduct a rethink yee optimistic one.

I'm not optimistic at all. Just telling it as it is. I just don't see that we were any better off in the hippie dippie psychedelic days. We are in no more of a mess than the drug addled were, we just have new problems. But humanity as a whole does seem to get generally smarter and more rational as time progresses.
 
Speak for yourself. Alternative thinking through LSD is a losers game. We are smarter than ever. We have dispensed with mushy psychedelic anti-intellectualism and are better off for it.

Oh for the happy days when Charles Manson was on the loose and some of my friends fried their brains for life.
 
I'm not optimistic at all. Just telling it as it is. I just don't see that we were any better off in the hippie dippie psychedelic days. We are in no more of a mess than the drug addled were, we just have new problems. But humanity as a whole does seem to get generally smarter and more rational as time progresses.

You are aware that a large swath of the nation is in the grip of an opioid epidemic. And, that a good chunk of the rest loves their meth. Right?
 
Oh for the happy days when Charles Manson was on the loose and some of my friends fried their brains for life.

How's that worse than some nut unloading his AR on a classroom or entire families being hooked on heroin, fentanyl or some other prescription opiate? Not sure that I get your argument here. If anything, today is no better and perhaps a lot worse than yesteryear.

Four bodies hanging from a bridge outside Cabo, Baja California in Mexico this morning; a family of 8 murdered in Ohio during spring of 2016; 50 people shot dead in Vegas this past fall, and more OD deaths per year than by car wrecks in the US. Not exactly happy days.
 
You are aware that a large swath of the nation is in the grip of an opioid epidemic. And, that a good chunk of the rest loves their meth. Right?

Yes, that is a new problem, but it has nothing to do with alternative thinking. Every generation has problems, and the cult of drugs and alcohol continues on unabated. I guess life really sucks for a lot of people because they can't take it straight.
 
Yes, that is a new problem, but it has nothing to do with alternative thinking. Every generation has problems, and the cult of drugs and alcohol continues on unabated. I guess life really sucks for a lot of people because they can't take it straight.

Point being that there are no less addicts today than there were during the times of hippies in the 60's and 70's; the beatniks in the 50's; all the legal druggies in the 40's; the alcoholics before then, and of course, all the opium smokers in the 20's.
 
Point being that there are no less addicts today than there were during the times of hippies in the 60's and 70's; the beatniks in the 50's; all the legal druggies in the 40's; the alcoholics before then, and of course, all the opium smokers in the 20's.

I didn't claim anything about the number of addicts. I wasn't claiming it is better or worse today. Only that his idea that alternative thinking somehow made the old days better and it is somehow missing today and so today is so much worse because of it. On the average, I think that rationality, on average, improves with each generation, and that is preferable to "alternative" thinking.
 
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