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The Human Race?

tosca1 said:
What's decline of religion got to do with this???

Even if NOT A SINGLE person believes in God - would that change God being the Creator?
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It would certainly change nothing in an affirmation being nothing other than a mere claim, evidenced by zilch.
 
tosca1 said:
What's decline of religion got to do with this???

Even if NOT A SINGLE person believes in God - would that change God being the Creator?
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If everyone believed in a god or gods, as in effect they once did, that would not be evidence that there was a 'creator' or 'creators'.
 
tosca1 said:
Do you?

Last time I heard too, with new discoveries - they're now stumped with how planets are formed!
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So what? Not knowing everything is not the same as knowing nothing. And nothing was about what the many different writers of that compendium of absurdities, the bible, knew. They certainly knew less than today's 12-year-olds who have begun a scientific education.
 
calamity said:
Yes...since god is just made up bull****, no one believing in it will take it off the table.
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Science cannot say anything about God.
The supernatural is beyond science's realm.
God is not off the table.


To ignore those facts, is to be in denial - refusal or unwillingness to accept something or to accept reality.

To be in denial, is not an argument. It's a pathetic stance of someone who couldn't cope with reality.
 
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tosca1 said:
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Science cannot say anything about God.
The supernatural is beyond science's realm.
God is not off the table.


To ignore those facts, is to be in denial - refusal or unwillingness to accept something or to accept reality.

To be in denial, is not an argument. It's a pathetic stance of someone who couldn't cope with reality.
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Good description, especially the bolded. Might be a good idea for you to take it to heart.
 
tosca1 said:
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Science cannot say anything about God.
The supernatural is beyond science's realm.
God is not off the table.


To ignore those facts, is to be in denial - refusal or unwillingness to accept something or to accept reality.

To be in denial, is not an argument. It's a pathetic stance of someone who couldn't cope with reality.
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God is bull****
 
tosca1 said:
What's decline of religion got to do with this???

Even if NOT A SINGLE person believes in God - would that change God being the Creator?
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Just another sign we're living in the last days...

“Know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God., having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power” 2 Timothy 3:1-5
 
Science cannot say anything about God.
The supernatural is beyond science's realm.
God is not off the table.
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tosca1 said:
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Science cannot say anything about God.
The supernatural is beyond science's realm.
God is not off the table.


To ignore those facts, is to be in denial - refusal or unwillingness to accept something or to accept reality.

To be in denial, is not an argument. It's a pathetic stance of someone who couldn't cope with reality.
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Er, that quote has no facts in it. :doh

I'd be happy to go down that list and explain why if you like, so that you might get a better grasp on 'reality' (or at least vocabulary) yourself.
 
Lursa said:
Er, that quote has no facts in it. :doh

I'd be happy to go down that list and explain why if you like, so that you might get a better grasp on 'reality' (or at least vocabulary) yourself.
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Calling them facts is putting the cart before the horse.
 
Elvira said:
Just another sign we're living in the last days...

“Know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God., having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power” 2 Timothy 3:1-5
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Kindly take your preachings to the religious discussion forum, this one is not the place for it.

As you surely know by now, considering the number of times the rules governing here have been pointed out to you.

Here, I'll link to them as others have done before.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/219563-philosophical-discussion-forum-post1064434846.html#post1064434846
 
Seriously, even if by some outside chance there is a god, it will be nothing like the "god" people created in their heads. Ergo, god is bull****.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
Sure we can not have a Philosophical debate on this topic since we live in a sick sad world based on lies and deceit. :lamo
But let's give it a try.

The first people, or human beings, appeared on Earth some 200,000 years ago on the plains of Sub-Saharan Africa. All modern humans belong to the species known as Homo sapiens that evolved from earlier species of hominids.

Well this can't be common belief can it? Because that would make one question the time line of the Holy Bible and the Holy Quran.
But we can all agree Africa was the 1st place humans were born or something created?

Human evolution is the evolutionary process that led to the emergence of anatomically modern humans, beginning with the evolutionary history of primates – in particular genus Homo – and leading to the emergence of Homo sapiens?

The history of the world (or world history) describes the history of humanity (or human history) as determined by the study of archaeological and written records. Ancient recorded history begins with the invention of writing. However, the roots of civilization reach back to the earliest introduction of primitive technology and culture.

Because of culture the human race is more divide today then at any other time in our history.

And that's why you get this.
The First Human Race Came From Australia, NOT Africa! | Humans Are Free
So what facts anymore?
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As Chagos has quite rightly pointed out, this is clearly yet another thread attempting to poison things with religion so, let's start with the basics.

Your delusion remains just that until you produce your god.

If you can't show it, you don't know it.

You invoke ignorance in your argument, you lose.
 
Lursa said:
Faith is the opposite of evidence.

Faith is belief in the absence of evidence.
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Faith is belief held without evidence and often, as seen with the religiously poisoned and deluded, it is belief held in spite of the evidence.
 
Mitochondrial Eve came from sub-saharan Africa. Calculating the date of her emergence is done by reverse engineering the timing of the mitochondrial DNA replication. That's why we don't need fossils to know how old humans are. The DNA itself can tell us.

I forget where I learned this, but homo sapiens almost got wiped out at one point due to a climatic event in the sub-sahara. The fossil record shows a greater diversity of human phenotypes up until a point in history when the population got reduced to some 10,000 individuals. From them, humanity as we know it today was propagated.

Why Christians cling to Adam and Eve is beyond me. There was Lilith and there was Sarah. There could've also been more than one Adam, depending on how you read the Hebrew texts. The allegories describe two very distinct men, both called Adam. Either way, it's not meant to be taken literally. Saying that humanity is 6,000 years old is bogus for the simple reason that the Vedic texts in India and the Indus civilizations are even older than that. The world didn't start with Christianity so how can Christianity even claim to know the timeline.
 
Science cannot say anything about God.
The supernatural is beyond science's realm.
God is not off the table.


lursa
Er, that quote has no facts in it. :doh
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yes, they do. :doh

Here....let me hold your hand and show it to you. Remember this NAS statement?


The National Academy of Sciences also says:

"Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about ourselves and the world around us. Humans gain understanding in many other ways, such as through literature, the arts, philosophical reflection, and religious experience.
knowledge may enrich aesthetic and moral perceptions, but these subjects extend beyond science's realm, which is to obtain a better understanding of the natural world."


"Scientists, like many others, are touched with awe at the order and complexity of nature. Indeed, many scientists are deeply religious. But science and religion occupy two separate realms of human experience. Demanding that they be combined detracts from the glory of each."

"Many religious persons, including many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth. This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution.

Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."
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https://wmap.gsfc.nasa.gov/site/faq.html


FYI, for something to be BEYOND and SEPARATE, does not equate to negation or debunkment! :doh

For something to be "beyond," means something is.......FARTHER.
For something to be "separate," means something is......APART.

Science has no capability to go there (yet).



The supernatural is BEYOND the realm of science - it deals only with the NATURAL, science's capability is limited - THEREFORE, science cannot say anything about it!




Based on that NAS statement, here's the logical conclusion:

Since the supernatural (GOD) is BEYOND the realm of science, God is not off the table!

In fact, science had said that Theistic evolution - the belief that God created the universe and all the processes that make evolution possible - does not disagree with scientific explanations!
Evidence(s) to support that statement is REVEALED in various disciplines of science!

Though theistic evolution is not to be confused with the literal Biblical narrative of Genesis -
it still boils down to CREATION!

THEREFORE, not only is God, NOT off the table - He is in fact, very much, ON the table!


I don't know how that can be explained any simpler.


All you naysayers are simply doing your knee-jerkings, with nothing else to support your ridiculous emotional outbursts! That's why I say......that stance is nothing more but a pathetic display of being in-denial!

Use logic, for crying out loud......after all, you're in Philosophy section!
 
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Lursa said:
Faith is the opposite of evidence.

Faith is belief in the absence of evidence.
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Speak for yourself!
God had given evidences!
We cannot fault God if people are blind to them. That's what being close-minded can do to people.

See my post above #42.


That statement is a good example why atheism is being likened to belief/faith.
Too bad that other thread is locked.....or I would've copied/pasted that. :lol:
 
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tosca1 said:
Speak for yourself!
God had given evidences!
We cannot fault God if people are blind to them. That's what being close-minded can do to people.

See my post above #42.


That statement is a good example why atheism is being likened to belief/faith.
Too bad that other thread is locked.....or I would've copied/pasted that. :lol:
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Produce your god, you can't show it, you don't know it.
 
I understand that the location of the first homo sapiens it's important issue for some people, but I honestly don't care if it was Africa, Australia or Mars.

The reason I don't care is because it makes no difference/has no relevance or impact on my day to day life.
 
beancounter said:
I understand that the location of the first homo sapiens it's important issue for some people, but I honestly don't care if it was Africa, Australia or Mars.

The reason I don't care is because it makes no difference/has no relevance or impact on my day to day life.
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Very few "sciencey" things do. Who really cares what the speed of light is or that there once were over a dozen species of hominids? After all, day to day living is not affected by knowing these things, but many of us still like to know them anyway.

Besides, where do we draw the line on ignorance--World History? US History? Last year's election? At some point, lack of knowledge does indeed lead to stupidity.
 
calamity said:
Seriously, even if by some outside chance there is a god, it will be nothing like the "god" people created in their heads. Ergo, god is bull****.
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Well, I'll have to agree with ya there...He's not nearly as sadistic and much more patient than most people give Him credit for...
 
You misunderstood my post. I am not against knoweledge for the sake of knowing or understanding. I've jjust seen heated debates where people get downright nasty because person A belives humans originated in Africa, and person B belives it was elsewhere. My point was its not worth getting all hot under the collar about it.

calamity said:
Very few "sciencey" things do. Who really cares what the speed of light is or that there once were over a dozen species of hominids? After all, day to day living is not affected by knowing these things, but many of us still like to know them anyway.

Besides, where do we draw the line on ignorance--World History? US History? Last year's election? At some point, lack of knowledge does indeed lead to stupidity.
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William Rea said:
Produce your god, you can't show it, you don't know it.
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Oh for goodness sake. Stop repeating that childish, illogical statement!
Read post #42 - chew on that.

If you can't even grasp what "supernatural" is...... Philosophy, surely, isn't a place for you.
 
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beancounter said:
You misunderstood my post. I am not against knoweledge for the sake of knowing or understanding. I've jjust seen heated debates where people get downright nasty because person A belives humans originated in Africa, and person B belives it was elsewhere. My point was its not worth getting all hot under the collar about it.
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Oh, I agree. I was just pointing out that we need to draw a line somewhere. For example, IMO, I think a heated argument against someone who insists the earth is flat is warranted.
 
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