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Why theists are so desperate to call atheism a belief.***[W:1682]****

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tosca1 said:
Faith is belief. It doesn't have to be about religion or God. It's also about trusting.
Like, I have faith you'll do the right thing.

Of course, belief in God also means, having trust in God.
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Faith in God is unlike any other belief. You agree, right? Is your faith merely a common mundane belief?
 
blackjack50 said:
lol I'm sure it burns to hear that atheists aren't any different than the religious when it comes to how they act on the topic of faith. Preaching to others and claiming their view is superior and their morals too. And before you let the panties twist too hard and refute my statement by saying not all atheists do this....remember that not all religious people do either.

So. If you are curious why the religious push back on atheists...it is because they got pushed. Doesn't matter who started it. It happens and you should expect a response.
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I won't get in a battle of the straw men with you. Both atheists and believers can get mean with each other. But there are no atheist morals just as there are no theist morals. The two are merely a stance on belief in gods. Anyone can create a moral code and there can be endless debates over whose code is best, whatever that means.

The problem is with those believers who deny that atheism is a lack of belief and falsely try to claim it is a belief. Atheism is not a belief and it most certainly is not a religion. Even theism is not a religion, just a belief.
 
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tosca1 said:
Unless you dismissed it because you couldn't care less to know what the concept of god is.
In other words, if you're totally ignorant what god is....not knowing even the definition of god. Then, it can't be a belief.

You cannot have a position - whether to believe, or not to believe - on something you're clueless about!

It would be like that of a cat who knows squat about economy!
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If I know something is merely a human constructed concept, it does not involve belief at all.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Then your belief lies in a world without a God because there is no such thing as a lack of belief.
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Do you really know that....or do you just believe it?
 
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zyzygy said:
In my case there is. I lack belief in gods.
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Then your belief lies in a world without a God.

ecofarm said:
What if someone has never been introduced to the concept of a deity? What's their belief on the subject?
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According to some lack of knowledge will not stop them from ending up in Hell.
 
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devildavid said:
Do you really know that....or do you just believe it?
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Fact of perception...
 
Re: Why theists are so desperate to call atheism a belief.

Tuatara said:
Another dodge.
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Nope, it's just too tedious to have to get people who think they know everything already up to speed on topics that are and have been common knowledge for years.
 
blackjack50 said:
lol I'm sure it burns to hear that atheists aren't any different than the religious when it comes to how they act on the topic of faith. Preaching to others and claiming their view is superior and their morals too. And before you let the panties twist too hard and refute my statement by saying not all atheists do this....remember that not all religious people do either.

So. If you are curious why the religious push back on atheists...it is because they got pushed. Doesn't matter who started it. It happens and you should expect a response.
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I feel for the religious, 200 years of religious hegemony is just not enough, is it.
 
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Tuatara said:
Another dodge.
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They come in here whining about 'militant atheists' but run away when the question gets difficult.
 
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zyzygy said:
In my case there is a lack of belief in gods.
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Amazing coincidence, I lack belief as well. And I am an atheist.
 
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devildavid said:
Which demonstrates the circular logic with which the word belief is used.
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Prove to me the idea that your attitude is merely lack of belief and not a negative, premeditated response to the beliefs of others.

You can't.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Fact of perception...
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You mean like my fact of perception that god is obviously only a man made concept that puts no burden of belief on anyone. One can choose to believe in make believe things, but one is not required to not believe in them since perception tells us they are make believe.
 
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it's just me said:
Prove to me the idea that your attitude is merely lack of belief and not a negative, premeditated response to the beliefs of others.

You can't.
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Prove to me you can read minds.

You can't.
 
Re: Why theists are so desperate to call atheism a belief.

tosca1 said:
Faith is belief. It doesn't have to be about religion or God. It's also about trusting.
Like, I have faith you'll do the right thing.

Of course, belief in God also means, having trust in God.
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No, faith is believing what you have no rational reason to think is real. That's what makes it different than simple belief. Belief needs to be founded in something demonstrable. Belief should be rational. Faith is anything but.
 
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it's just me said:
I lack belief in non-belief.
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Good, so you know what's it's like to lack a belief. Apply that to gods and you will lack what I lack.
 
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zyzygy said:
In my case there is a lack of belief in gods.
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As in mine. I do not believe gods exist. I do not believe gods do not exist. I have simply not been convinced by arguments made by theists to take their claims seriously.

Now watch him try to twist that.
 
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devildavid said:
You mean like my fact of perception that god is obviously only a man made concept that puts no burden of belief on anyone. One can choose to believe in make believe things, but one is not required to not believe in them since perception tells us they are make believe.
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Not believing is a belief.
 
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Cephus said:
As in mine. I do not believe gods exist. I do not believe gods do not exist. I have simply not been convinced by arguments made by theists to take their claims seriously.

Now watch him try to twist that.
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No problem. You are a person who believes that nothing is known of the existence or nature of God.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
No problem. You are a person who believes that nothing is known of the existence or nature of God.
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One could apply that to all imaginary beings.
 
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