Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

AGENT J said:

For the record though ANYBODY that thinks there still isnt a problem with racism or sexism is simply blind to facts.
A discussion can be had on how big a problem it is and how much we have or have not improved but not of their existence.

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Isn't that what's happening, and has happened? Trying to have discussions? How's that working out?



Also, I think you'd be surprised at how many people truly think there's no racial or gender discrimination happening in the USofA anymore.
Then there's some who think we dearly need to return to the days when there was massive discrimination and subjugation.

Dragonfly said:

1.)Isn't that what's happening, and has happened? Trying to have discussions? How's that working out?


2.)Also, I think you'd be surprised at how many people truly think there's no racial or gender discrimination happening in the USofA anymore.
Then there's some who think we dearly need to return to the days when there was massive discrimination and subjugation.

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1.) again not quit sure what you are asking. I think its super easy for NORMAL people to have the discussion and things are better than they have ever been. But the loons are restless but i dont care about them.
2.) I dont think I would yes those people excist but again, in real life its super rare i encounter anybody that out of touch with reality.

Dragonfly said:

In the USofA is there, or is there not a racial issue between whites and non-whites?
In the USofA is there or is there not a gender issue between men and women?

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There are a variety of racial and gender issues in the US (as there are elsewhere) but they’re not singular issues and not as straight forwards as the binary conflicts you present. I’d actually call that one of the issues.

Dragonfly said:

So one group says there's a race issue. The one's that are the race in question.
The other group says there isn't a race issue. Just so happens they're the white group.

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That’s simply not true. All different people talk about different racial issues and present them in different ways. There is no simple skin-colour division. After all, plenty of white people strongly support the protests and I’m sure many non-white people don’t, at least not the precise focus or methods.

Dragonfly said:

Is there a problem? Should something be done to try to "fix" the issue? Should the group denying the problem just throw their hands up and sigh with exasperation and roll their eyes?

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There are many problems and they all need to be addressed. They need to be acknowledged as a starting point but they also need to be defined in an accurate, honest and balanced manner. The protests tend to feed exaggeration and rhetoric over practical realism.

Dragonfly said:

One group says there's a problem with racial discrimination.
The other group calls those people un-American, and worse.

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That’s more about how they choose to protest than what they’re protesting about. For example, I don’t agree with protesters blocking highways, even if I agree with the point of their protest. I’m sure there’s an element of some people using that angle to try to silence protest but that kind of thing goes all ways.

Because the dominant group is always afraid of having its dominance questioned. There also seems to be a lot of confusion over what constitutes power and privilege. For example, a lot of poor whites question, rightly, how it is that they have been left behind and yet are still assumed to be the beneficiary of the status quo. They are pitted against others in their same socioeconomic bracket. It's easy to forget that the poor of all races and sexes share a common enemy.

Dragonfly said:

Who should determine whether or not racial/gender discrimination exists?

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Nobody gets to "decide" whether it exists or not, just as nobody gets to "decide" whether somebody is poor, sick, or uneducated.

If it's not self-evident, asserting it won't make it true.