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Protestantism: Where everyone is a Priest except Priests, where everyone can bind and loose except Bishops, where you can command angels but not ask their help, where you can talk to the devil but not to saints, where everyone gets a crown except for the virgin Mary, where everyone can interpret scripture except the Church, and where every church is a church except for the Church.
 
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it's just me said:
Protestantism: Where everyone is a Priest except Priests, where everyone can bind and loose except Bishops, where you can command angels but not ask their help, where you can talk to the devil but not to saints, where everyone gets a crown except for the virgin Mary, where everyone can interpret scripture except the Church, and where every church is a church except for the Church.
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Problems happened long before Protestantism. The Great Schism was one such time. And if you venture into the writings of the early church fathers one could say the church made a wrong turn with St. Augustine.
 
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vesper said:
Problems happened long before Protestantism. The Great Schism was one such time. And if you venture into the writings of the early church fathers one could say the church made a wrong turn with St. Augustine.
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One could say that? Please elaborate.
 
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it's just me said:
One could say that? Please elaborate.
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I will at some point but I will have to dig out my notes from previous studies to address it properly and tonight I am enjoying rest and relaxation.
 
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vesper said:
I will at some point but I will have to dig out my notes from previous studies to address it properly and tonight I am enjoying rest and relaxation.
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Both Protestantism and Catholicism have made their share of wrong turns but Augustine is the least of anybody's problem if you ask me.
 
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it's just me said:
Both Protestantism and Catholicism have made their share of wrong turns but Augustine is the least of anybody's problem if you ask me.
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I am not about to rip apart St Augustine but his understanding of things were not quite right.. He could only read a little Greek and no Hebrew. So how on earth in that time period could you truly study Scripture? Yet he was a listener of philosophers and a student of study of those in print he understood which were mostly pagan. He was a big believer in Platonism and neo-Platonism that ended up resulting in Christianity marrying with humanism in the 1700's. He was one who had great influence over the the way the church would go and some of it wasn't good.

Look one could look into the beliefs of protestants like C.S. Lewis, Calvin, Luther etc. and find flaws. But we were told to test everything. We were told not to go along with a crowd. We were told to have a personal relationship with G-d seeking his wisdom and understanding which he told he would freely give to those who asked.

That is as much I dare say without my notes.
 
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it's just me said:
Protestantism: Where everyone is a Priest except Priests....where everyone can interpret scripture except the Church, and where every church is a church except for the Church.
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I always thought it interesting that Sunni Islam and Evangelical Christianity are structurally identical. Both make all believers priests, both are sola scriptura, and both lack a hierarchy. Rather, each independent church / mosque or individual believer can make presumably equally valid interpretations of the religion.
 
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Cryptic said:
I always thought it interesting that Sunni Islam and Evangelical Christianity are structurally identical. Both make all believers priests, both are sola scriptura, and both lack a hierarchy. Rather, each independent church / mosque or individual believer can make presumably equally valid interpretations of the religion.
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Oh, that was just a funny I saw on FB, but there is some truth to it.
 
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it's just me said:
Oh, that was just a funny I saw on FB, but there is some truth to it.
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I think there is a lot of truth to it.

Structurally, the two religions are near identical: Everyone is a priest, sola scripture, no authority higher than the local church / mosque- or individual believer in the ultimate sense. Even church / mosque attendance in both religions, while preferable, is not mandatory. They do, however, vastly differ in theology.
 
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vesper said:
I am not about to rip apart St Augustine but his understanding of things were not quite right.. He could only read a little Greek and no Hebrew. So how on earth in that time period could you truly study Scripture? Yet he was a listener of philosophers and a student of study of those in print he understood which were mostly pagan. He was a big believer in Platonism and neo-Platonism that ended up resulting in Christianity marrying with humanism in the 1700's. He was one who had great influence over the the way the church would go and some of it wasn't good.

Look one could look into the beliefs of protestants like C.S. Lewis, Calvin, Luther etc. and find flaws. But we were told to test everything. We were told not to go along with a crowd. We were told to have a personal relationship with G-d seeking his wisdom and understanding which he told he would freely give to those who asked.

That is as much I dare say without my notes.
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C.S. Lewis was a Protestant? Who knew?
 
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it's just me said:
C.S. Lewis was a Protestant? Who knew?
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I think CS Lewis was Anglican. That makes him a protestant in the technical sense, but not truly one in practicing sense.
 
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Cryptic said:
I think CS Lewis was Anglican. That makes him a protestant in the technical sense, but not truly one in practicing sense.
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He was an Anglican, and you are correct, we do not refer to ourselves as "Protestant".
 
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it's just me said:
He was an Anglican, and you are correct, we do not refer to ourselves as "Protestant".
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The rejection of the term 'Protestant' by the Anglicans didn't happen until the 19th century. In fact, the Archbishop of Cantabury has the monarch at the coronation to swear to uphold "Reformed and Protestant Religion".
 
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it's just me said:
Protestantism: Where everyone is a Priest except Priests, where everyone can bind and loose except Bishops, where you can command angels but not ask their help, where you can talk to the devil but not to saints, where everyone gets a crown except for the virgin Mary, where everyone can interpret scripture except the Church, and where every church is a church except for the Church.
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No, that's not what Protestantism is. What a delusional group of assertions.
 
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RAMOSS said:
The rejection of the term 'Protestant' by the Anglicans didn't happen until the 19th century. In fact, the Archbishop of Cantabury has the monarch at the coronation to swear to uphold "Reformed and Protestant Religion".
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Yeah, I saw that answer on the "Got Questions" website, too.

Perhaps you can tell me which Protestant doctrines we adhere to.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
No, that's not what Protestantism is. What a delusional group of assertions.
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I was a joke, a story with a humorous climax. I am not surprised that you didn't get it.
 
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it's just me said:
Yeah, I saw that answer on the "Got Questions" website, too.

Perhaps you can tell me which Protestant doctrines we adhere to.
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What is more important is what you don't adhere to and that is using the Pope as the head of the Church. It was because King Henry VIII wanted an annulment to his marriage, and the Church said no.
 
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RAMOSS said:
What is more important is what you don't adhere to and that is using the Pope as the head of the Church. It was because King Henry VIII wanted an annulment to his marriage, and the Church said no.
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Well, it's clear that you don't know anything about Church history, probably because of your poor reading comprehension and inability to take things in context.
 
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it's just me said:
Well, it's clear that you don't know anything about Church history, probably because of your poor reading comprehension and inability to take things in context.
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Well, ya might want to fill us in, because that's what I thought too. Not that I've studied the matter in depth.
 
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Goshin said:
Well, ya might want to fill us in, because that's what I thought too. Not that I've studied the matter in depth.
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It takes up several chapters in one of the books I have, but the gist of it is that the Pope was usurping authority that rightly belonged to the king of England, among other things.
 
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it's just me said:
Well, it's clear that you don't know anything about Church history, probably because of your poor reading comprehension and inability to take things in context.
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Can you show that the split of the church of england was otherwise?? Did the Anglicans did they not separate from the RCC and the Pope??


As a matter of fact, let's do a history lesson. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

In 1534, King Henry VIII separated the English Church from Rome.[9] A theological separation had been foreshadowed by various movements within the English Church, such as Lollardy, but the English Reformation gained political support when Henry VIII wanted an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon so he could marry Anne Boleyn
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So, to all intents and purposes, if Henry didn't want to annul the marriage to Catherine of Aragon, it wouldn't have happened. It was because of the support of King Henry for political reasons it was able to be pulled off.
 
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it's just me said:
It takes up several chapters in one of the books I have, but the gist of it is that the Pope was usurping authority that rightly belonged to the king of England, among other things.
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That is what the King of England declared. In essence, he wanted an annulment, and the pope said no.. so King Henry the 8th threw a fit.
 
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