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Are Satanic Temple’s Seven Tenets Morally Superior To Ten Commandments?

I tend to agree with you but so far no one has been able to prove God exists or doesn't exist.
Do you have any ironclad proof?

No, but given that no contemporary extraneous corroboration of the Jesus story exists, and given that things like turning water into wine, walking on water and throwing bread on the water, which then produces many, many loafs of (I assume soggy) bread are beyond what physics allows -- I don't really think there is a question as to the mythological aspect of the tale.
 
No, but given that no contemporary extraneous corroboration of the Jesus story exists, and given that things like turning water into wine, walking on water and throwing bread on the water, which then produces many, many loafs of (I assume soggy) bread are beyond what physics allows -- I don't really think there is a question as to the mythological aspect of the tale.

Not to mention that Jesus should have told the 5000 to plan ahead, off they go, don't take any food along. He should have admonished them instead of magicing up a meal.
 
Regardless of whether it was a cross or a stake, would you wear the instrument...say a gun or a knife...used to kill your loved one around your neck...or hang it on your wall...or make the sign of it across your chest while praying? I think not...according to Scripture, that would be nothing more than an image, which the Bible condemns using in your worship...

I thought we were talking about a philological issue. What has this to do with linguistic issues?
 
I thought we were talking about a philological issue. What has this to do with linguistic issues?

She often mistakes this forum for the religion forum. Her preaching is of no value here.
 
I thought we were talking about a philological issue. What has this to do with linguistic issues?

I didn't bring up the subject of the cross...Shrubnose did...and you asked the question about stake versus cross...thus the flow of how conversation goes...
 
I didn't bring up the subject of the cross...Shrubnose did...and you asked the question about stake versus cross...thus the flow of how conversation goes...

You brought up the stake. Rejecting the cross is rejecting Christianity.
 
Regardless of whether it was a cross or a stake, would you wear the instrument...say a gun or a knife...used to kill your loved one around your neck...or hang it on your wall...or make the sign of it across your chest while praying? I think not...according to Scripture,
that would be nothing more than an image, which the Bible condemns using in your worship...


What Christian church doesn't use images?

Fill us in.
 
Regardless of whether it was a cross or a stake, would you wear the instrument...say a gun or a knife...used to kill your loved one around your neck...or hang it on your wall...or make the sign of it across your chest while praying? I think not...according to Scripture, that would be nothing more than an image, which the Bible condemns using in your worship...

You're missing something vital here. While I'm not religious in the least, the bible story makes the claim that it was Jesus' death that saved the world -- not His life, although that was instrumental in giving an example of how people were supposed to live. So making a big deal out of whether He died on a cross or a stake is really neither here nor there, but it is natural that a symbol of His death (which is also a symbol of salvation) exists to unite His followers. It's not idolatry -- it's a small physical remembrance of His sacrifice. It does not qualify as either an idol nor a graven image.

Be very suspicious of anyone who digs through minutia and tries to make the insignificant seem important.
 
What Christian church doesn't use images?

Fill us in.

Jehovah's Witnessses are the only ones I know of who do not use images of any sort or in any form...

“You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them.” Exodus 20:4, 5

"I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images." Isaiah 42:8

“What agreement does God’s temple have with idols?...Quit touching the unclean thing.”—2 Corinthians 6:16, 17

“Flee from idolatry.” 1 Corinthians 10:14

“Guard yourselves from idols.” 1 John 5:21

“Since the worship given to an image reaches and terminates in the person represented,” says the New Catholic Encyclopedia, “the same type of worship due the person can be rendered to the image as representing the person.”

When Jesus taught his followers how to pray, he did not tell them to use images. The very idea of using an image to worship the true God cannot be found in the Christian Greek Scriptures.

What say you after reading these scriptures?
 
Jehovah's Witnessses are the only ones I know of who do not use images of any sort or in any form...

“You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them.” Exodus 20:4, 5

"I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images." Isaiah 42:8

“What agreement does God’s temple have with idols?...Quit touching the unclean thing.”—2 Corinthians 6:16, 17

“Flee from idolatry.” 1 Corinthians 10:14

“Guard yourselves from idols.” 1 John 5:21

“Since the worship given to an image reaches and terminates in the person represented,” says the New Catholic Encyclopedia, “the same type of worship due the person can be rendered to the image as representing the person.”

When Jesus taught his followers how to pray, he did not tell them to use images. The very idea of using an image to worship the true God cannot be found in the Christian Greek Scriptures.

What say you after reading these scriptures?

They are stories in an old book written by primitive men.
 
jehovah's witnessses are the only ones i know of who do not use images of any sort or in any form...

“you must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them.” exodus 20:4, 5

"i am jehovah. That is my name; i give my glory to no one else, nor my praise to graven images." isaiah 42:8

“what agreement does god’s temple have with idols?...quit touching the unclean thing.”—2 corinthians 6:16, 17

“flee from idolatry.” 1 corinthians 10:14

“guard yourselves from idols.” 1 john 5:21

“since the worship given to an image reaches and terminates in the person represented,” says the new catholic encyclopedia, “the same type of worship due the person can be rendered to the image as representing the person.”

when jesus taught his followers how to pray, he did not tell them to use images. The very idea of using an image to worship the true god cannot be found in the christian greek scriptures.

what say you after reading these scriptures?

I had a neighbor who was a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses sect back in the fifties.he had a stack of magazines full of pictures of naked women.

Just sayin'.
 
What lies have you been taught that you refuse to see as lies?

The end of the world predictions for one. Life saving blood transfusions are evil, that's another one.
 
And you can't back up your wild, illogical claims.

Nonsense.

But this is the one from your prior posting that YOU CANNOT PROVE.

"There is no such thing as objective morality."

You just made the claim. The duty to demonstrate that's a true statement is up to you. In doing so, you have to prove that God doesn't exist. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU.

Otherwise it's just more nonsense on your part.

So, where's the evidence?
 
Nonsense.

But this is the one from your prior posting that YOU CANNOT PROVE.

"There is no such thing as objective morality."

You just made the claim. The duty to demonstrate that's a true statement is up to you. In doing so, you have to prove that God doesn't exist. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU.

Otherwise it's just more nonsense on your part.

So, where's the evidence?

What does evidence of the non-existence of something look like?
 
The end of the world predictions for one. Life saving blood transfusions are evil, that's another one.

But the real issue is this. How can anyone know what a lie is unless they have objective, incontrovertible evidence that the lie is really an untruth? How can they be sure of any lies if they are not willing to question their own beliefs and put them up against completely objective scrutiny. If you put your beliefs above objective facts you weaken your ability to detect what is a lie and what is the truth. All beliefs really come down to lies we choose to believe. But it is not others who lie to us, it we who lie to ourselves. And those are the lies we never see through as long as we hold beliefs based on nothing but our emotions.
 
But the real issue is this. How can anyone know what a lie is unless they have objective, incontrovertible evidence that the lie is really an untruth? How can they be sure of any lies if they are not willing to question their own beliefs and put them up against completely objective scrutiny. If you put your beliefs above objective facts you weaken your ability to detect what is a lie and what is the truth. All beliefs really come down to lies we choose to believe. But it is not others who lie to us, it we who lie to ourselves. And those are the lies we never see through as long as we hold beliefs based on nothing but our emotions.
Agreed, but my self-lies do not involve imaginary beings.
 
Agreed, but my self-lies do not involve imaginary beings.

That's another one of your fairy tales that you can't prove - that God is an imaginary being.

Just more of your blather.
 
That's another one of your fairy tales that you can't prove - that God is an imaginary being.

Just more of your blather.
The onus is on you to prove that he exists. Prove that the Hindu gods do not exist and then I will use your method.
 
Nonsense.

But this is the one from your prior posting that YOU CANNOT PROVE.

"There is no such thing as objective morality."

You just made the claim. The duty to demonstrate that's a true statement is up to you. In doing so, you have to prove that God doesn't exist. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU.

Otherwise it's just more nonsense on your part.

So, where's the evidence?

Caution: these require intelligence and, more importantly, intellectual honesty.

It's certain not for everyone.

https://coelsblog.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/six-reasons-why-objective-morality-is-nonsense/
https://philosophynow.org/issues/115/Is_Morality_Objective
 
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