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The Bridge, Jumping off the Golden Gate

RAMOSS said:
Different areas of the country have different resources available. The northeast, and the west coast tend to be better than the south and mid west. In some places in the south, I bet kids who self harm will get prayed over to get the demon out of them.
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:roll: horrifying isn't it

our kids are falling through the cracks

it's like mental health is the last frontier...
 
_Sal said:
:roll: horrifying isn't it

our kids are falling through the cracks

it's like mental health is the last frontier...
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I agree. I bet you could find 'CHristian Councilors' who have had psychological classes in 'demonic possession' (Or at least claim to). I have heard that claim. I also know a victim of being forced to go to conversion therapy by a 'pray the gay away' group when they were a teenager.
 
About 14 years ago, age 47, I earned the dubious distinction as the first to jump off from center span of the newly constructed Ringling Bridge in Florida. I made top story that day in the local news. Contrary to public reports, I did not get arrested. I did get slightly injured.

I stepped off, right foot forward, dropping about 80 feet in less than two seconds. I impacted the roughly 11' deep murky water, my falling speed in excess of 60 mph at impact, arms out like two wings. As a younger man, I had extensive cliff diving experience in Jamaica. I also use to live in a 4th floor corner condo where I would step off a balcony into an 8' deep clear pool.

I had two close friends as spotters, one more focused than the other. I also had an unsuspecting support crew at the bottom, fully engaged in demolishing the pre-existing adjacent bridge. I did not know it right away; the impact dislocated both arms. I rode a construction barge to a nearby bait shop. Paramedics treated me like a criminal. They strapped me to a gurney and took me an emergency room. I had extremely good major medical coverage. I only paid $50 out of pocket. A specialist maneuvered my arms back in place. I left the hospital that night. It took about 8 weeks before I could resume playing basketball. My bench press temporarily dropped from 250 to 125.

The chief paramedic, after we arrived at the emergency room, insisted the admissions clerk write down - 1. No drugs. 2. No Alcohol. 3. Not psychotic. 4. Not suicidal. Today, I realize he made one mistake. I absolutely had psychosis! I now work hard to break what I call "the Cycle of Stupidity".

Rationale people, IMO, would not take on stepping off/jumping off bridges from heights where injury becomes probable and problematic.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
About 14 years ago, age 47, I earned the dubious distinction as the first to jump off from center span of the newly constructed Ringling Bridge in Florida. I made top story that day in the local news. Contrary to public reports, I did not get arrested. I did get slightly injured.

I stepped off, right foot forward, dropping about 80 feet in less than two seconds. I impacted the roughly 11' deep murky water, my falling speed in excess of 60 mph at impact, arms out like two wings. As a younger man, I had extensive cliff diving experience in Jamaica. I also use to live in a 4th floor corner condo where I would step off a balcony into an 8' deep clear pool.

I had two close friends as spotters, one more focused than the other. I also had an unsuspecting support crew at the bottom, fully engaged in demolishing the pre-existing adjacent bridge. I did not know it right away; the impact dislocated both arms. I rode a construction barge to a nearby bait shop. Paramedics treated me like a criminal. They strapped me to a gurney and took me an emergency room. I had extremely good major medical coverage. I only paid $50 out of pocket. A specialist maneuvered my arms back in place. I left the hospital that night. It took about 8 weeks before I could resume playing basketball. My bench press temporarily dropped from 250 to 125.

The chief paramedic, after we arrived at the emergency room, insisted the admissions clerk write down - 1. No drugs. 2. No Alcohol. 3. Not psychotic. 4. Not suicidal. Today, I realize he made one mistake. I absolutely had psychosis! I now work hard to break what I call "the Cycle of Stupidity".

Rationale people, IMO, would not take on stepping off/jumping off bridges from heights where injury becomes probable and problematic.
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why did you do it?
 
RAMOSS said:
I agree. I bet you could find 'CHristian Councilors' who have had psychological classes in 'demonic possession' (Or at least claim to). I have heard that claim. I also know a victim of being forced to go to conversion therapy by a 'pray the gay away' group when they were a teenager.
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I don't even have words for this.

How do we decide when intervention is acceptable and when it is intrusive?

I believe that right through teen years we intervene to the point of intrusion no problem...after that...it gets dicey.
 
_Sal said:
I don't even have words for this.

How do we decide when intervention is acceptable and when it is intrusive?

I believe that right through teen years we intervene to the point of intrusion no problem...after that...it gets dicey.
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Well, there were 13 people who were in that 'gay conversion camp.' She was forced to go when she was 15. I know when she was about 33 or 34, the 7th person that went to that camp with her died of an OD. There were 5 drug overdoses and 2 suicides out of those 13 people within 15 years. All of the people who went to the camp were minors, and were forced by their parents. From what I gather, what they went through was extreme even by the gay conversion standards.. but it hardly was 'do no harm'.

That is one reason that when the very different laws about 'no conversion therapy for Minors' started being proposed and passed, I was most whole heartedly for the restrictions.
 
_Sal said:
so does Canada

Said by a dad to a 12 year old whom I know who was threatening self harm and had spent a week in a lock-down program for youth at risk: "you aren't a mental nut job get yourself together"

our level of ignorance with regard to mental health is appalling
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When I was 17 years old I was in the county jail on my way to prison for 4 years. I was self mutilating and I was put in a straightjacket and a restraint chair for 3 days in an empty cell to stare at the wall. On the last day, they wheeled me out of the cell, "where are you taking me", you'll see. They took me in a back conference room and there sat my father. I have no idea how many policies they broke to arrange that. GOD bless em, it was exactly what I needed to get my head right.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
About 14 years ago, age 47, I earned the dubious distinction as the first to jump off from center span of the newly constructed Ringling Bridge in Florida. I made top story that day in the local news. Contrary to public reports, I did not get arrested. I did get slightly injured.

I stepped off, right foot forward, dropping about 80 feet in less than two seconds. I impacted the roughly 11' deep murky water, my falling speed in excess of 60 mph at impact, arms out like two wings. As a younger man, I had extensive cliff diving experience in Jamaica. I also use to live in a 4th floor corner condo where I would step off a balcony into an 8' deep clear pool.

I had two close friends as spotters, one more focused than the other. I also had an unsuspecting support crew at the bottom, fully engaged in demolishing the pre-existing adjacent bridge. I did not know it right away; the impact dislocated both arms. I rode a construction barge to a nearby bait shop. Paramedics treated me like a criminal. They strapped me to a gurney and took me an emergency room. I had extremely good major medical coverage. I only paid $50 out of pocket. A specialist maneuvered my arms back in place. I left the hospital that night. It took about 8 weeks before I could resume playing basketball. My bench press temporarily dropped from 250 to 125.

The chief paramedic, after we arrived at the emergency room, insisted the admissions clerk write down - 1. No drugs. 2. No Alcohol. 3. Not psychotic. 4. Not suicidal. Today, I realize he made one mistake. I absolutely had psychosis! I now work hard to break what I call "the Cycle of Stupidity".

Rationale people, IMO, would not take on stepping off/jumping off bridges from heights where injury becomes probable and problematic.
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I have jumped from this bridge into the Peace river about a dozen times. But I wont anymore, I know it is deep enough but with the black water, you never know what might be floating just under the surface. If it was spring water, I would jump all day. It is about a 25 ft drop into 12 ft of water.

The old lady who is the park caretaker will call the po po if she see's you!thJPSVS4UR.jpg
 
Trippy Trekker said:
The kid in me drove the impulse. I took the endeavor as a personal challenge.
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I did crazy things too until about age-48. Then, it took me another two years to learn not to just do them out of habit. :lol:
 
RAMOSS said:
Well, there were 13 people who were in that 'gay conversion camp.' She was forced to go when she was 15. I know when she was about 33 or 34, the 7th person that went to that camp with her died of an OD. There were 5 drug overdoses and 2 suicides out of those 13 people within 15 years. All of the people who went to the camp were minors, and were forced by their parents. From what I gather, what they went through was extreme even by the gay conversion standards.. but it hardly was 'do no harm'.

That is one reason that when the very different laws about 'no conversion therapy for Minors' started being proposed and passed, I was most whole heartedly for the restrictions.
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I think when parents are subjecting their kids to harm such as intervention therapy, then we intervene....until they become adults...I believe when they self harm, we intervene...once adulthood is reached...I don't know.

But I do know that other than offering help to another adult, really it's their choice.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
When I was 17 years old I was in the county jail on my way to prison for 4 years. I was self mutilating and I was put in a straightjacket and a restraint chair for 3 days in an empty cell to stare at the wall. On the last day, they wheeled me out of the cell, "where are you taking me", you'll see. They took me in a back conference room and there sat my father. I have no idea how many policies they broke to arrange that. GOD bless em, it was exactly what I needed to get my head right.
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wow, that is amazing that they placed you into your fathers care...some rules are meant to be ignored and others broken...some people just need to be given a chance/help at the right time

I am so happy for you that you found your way out and back.
 
_Sal said:
yes, kids think from a different perspective...they are invincible, until they aren't

glad you survived the dive
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Thanks Sal. I still have twinkling eyes, a silly kid grin, lots of gratitude, a bit of swag and serious Love for this endeavor we call "Life"! May our Best Times lie ahead!

Life's not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming "Wow - what a ride!" Anonymous
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Thanks Sal. I still have twinkling eyes, a silly kid grin, lots of gratitude, a bit of swag and serious Love for this endeavor we call "Life"! May our Best Times lie ahead!

Life's not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming "Wow - what a ride!" Anonymous
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:thumbs:

and thank god for emergency responders and good medical people in general :mrgreen:
 
Slingshot Bob said:
When I was 17 years old I was in the county jail on my way to prison for 4 years. I was self mutilating and I was put in a straightjacket and a restraint chair for 3 days in an empty cell to stare at the wall. On the last day, they wheeled me out of the cell, "where are you taking me", you'll see. They took me in a back conference room and there sat my father. I have no idea how many policies they broke to arrange that. GOD bless em, it was exactly what I needed to get my head right.
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Damn you Bob! You write a sappy story like that... and you capture my Heart! Woodsman did that to me too... by dedicating and preserving family owned Forest for perpetual use by Hikers. Strong evidence exists that political foes can unify for Higher Causes. Feel some Trippy Trekker Love for you and your Dad!
 
_Sal said:
:thumbs:

and thank god for emergency responders and good medical people in general :mrgreen:
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Honesty, I felt the hospital staff split about 50/50 on their assessment of me... with two main camps. One camp disliked Dare Devil jackasses. They might not have wished me long term physical harm. They would have smiled at the thought of me spending 30 days in jail for the stunt. The other camp called me Birdman. They understood me and my psychosis. Some of them admired my daring.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Honesty, I felt the hospital staff split about 50/50 on their assessment of me... with two main camps. One camp disliked Dare Devil jackasses. They might not have wished me long term physical harm. They would have smiled at the thought of me spending 30 days in jail for the stunt. The other camp called me Birdman. They understood me and my psychosis. Some of them admired my daring.
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well, poor choices, we all make them at some point

the medical profession is not the place to be if one is into judging
 
_Sal said:
wow, that is amazing that they placed you into your fathers care...some rules are meant to be ignored and others broken...some people just need to be given a chance/help at the right time

I am so happy for you that you found your way out and back.
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Oh don't get me wrong, it was just a brief visit, I was still hustled off to prison and did 3years and 8 months total, not crying victim, I certainly earned it.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Oh don't get me wrong, it was just a brief visit, I was still hustled off to prison and did 3years and 8 months total, not crying victim, I certainly earned it.
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taking responsibility for the choices we make and accepting the consequences that follow is an indicator of mental health ;)
 
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