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Science and Religion, a comparative study [W:222]

zyzygy said:
It was a very stupid OP. I am alive because of science, religion was no help to me.
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This is a non-sequitur. And the "stupidity" of the OP is for you to show.

Dragonfly said:
I tell you what, how about you expand on your pathetic OP and actually state outright what it is you were trying to convey?

Why did you chose those specific pictures? I don't even know what the first one is supposed to represent at all in terms of religion.
It could equally be a picture representing bestiality for all I know.

The ball is in your court mr. stout fellow. Explain your OP, in detail (not pictorially) and then we'll see if there's anything else worth discussing.
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So your derisive icons were based on an OP you don't understand. Fair enough.

RAMOSS said:
The claims are your OP, and the negative judgement comes from the OP's unjust evaluation.
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Please make explicit what the hell you are talking about. You persist in your negativity toward "claims" which you refuse to identify.

zyzygy said:
Let us not forget that religion brought us the Crusades, the Inquisition, the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Magdalene Laundries and many other evil episodes.
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And let us not forget that science brought us the atom bomb and gunpowder and a the panoply of weapons that are used in warfare and crime.
 
Angel said:
This is a non-sequitur. And the "stupidity" of the OP is for you to show.


So your derisive icons were based on an OP you don't understand. Fair enough.


Please make explicit what the hell you are talking about. You persist in your negativity toward "claims" which you refuse to identify.


And let us not forget that science brought us the atom bomb and gunpowder and a the panoply of weapons that are used in warfare and crime.
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Shifting the burden.

If you have something to say, say it or take it to the religion padded cell section.
 
Angel said:
The Legacy of Religion
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The Legacy of Science
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Irony
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Science has many branches in her legacy why the choice of nuclear weapons?

On the legacy of religion - what is that picture trying to depict?
 
TheGoverness said:
I hope you realise that politics are influenced by religion all the time.
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It shouldn't be...even Jesus said his kingdom was not part of this world...
 
William Rea said:
No, just desperate.
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So now you stoop to changing another's post in your quoting, a desperate and despicable practice, sir, beneath contempt.
William Rea said:
I abhor bestiality.
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One of the sillier remarks by an atheist, serving no purpose but mockery -- sadly the chief argument atheists seem to possess..
William Rea said:
Shifting the burden.
If you have something to say, say it or take it to the religion padded cell section.
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No, my friend, the burden is exactly where it belongs -- on the mockers. If all you have is mockery to offer, then that's all you have.
William Rea said:
How to drown an elephant using only your mind?
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More mocking silliness.
 
Conaeolos said:
Science has many branches in her legacy why the choice of nuclear weapons?

On the legacy of religion - what is that picture trying to depict?
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Science, whatever else it has bequeathed man, has delivered more and more efficient means of destruction and has brought the world to the brink of annihilation.
The picture depicts compassion and respect for life. Do you know what namaste is and what it means? :)
 
Angel said:
Science, whatever else it has bequeathed man, has delivered more and more efficient means of destruction and has brought the world to the brink of annihilation.
The picture depicts compassion and respect for life. Do you know what namaste is and what it means? :)
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Maybe annihilation is the goal of the masterpiece.
 
joG said:
Maybe annihilation is the goal of the masterpiece.
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If you're not being ironic, and on second thought even if you are, this is a profound thought.
 
Quag said:
To simplify, Governess was making a funny by saying religion wasnt involved in 911, it was the govt and I was making a funny on Governess`s funny by saying religion is involved if God did it.
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Much obliged for the clarification, Quag. So it was sarcasmus all around. I dig. At last. :)
 
William Rea said:
How to drown an elephant using only your mind?
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Where do I sign up :-D

Angel said:
Science, whatever else it has bequeathed man, has delivered more and more efficient means of destruction and has brought the world to the brink of annihilation.
The picture depicts compassion and respect for life. Do you know what namaste is and what it means? :)
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Yes and I have a deep respect for religion, simplicity, compassion and respect for life.

But, I also see great legacy in science. Without science ~ many people would starve and die in infancy. Without science - we are limited in our ability to operate in the world. Without science - our understanding of the world is reduce to stories and ideas.

The difference you are describing is like the difference between the feminine and the masculine parent. Feminine nurturing through giving the masculine through challenging. The feminine protecting though sacrifice of self the masculine through sacrifice to the greater whole.

One can see destruction, death and grieve a lifetime or open their eyes again and see that with death comes new life. In an eternal plain there could be no time/space, no change, no interaction between different levels of consciousness or being...the gift of death is life itself.

One can see the destructive capability of scientific power and be tempted to run, like some sees the destructive capability of humannessess and are tempted to be a bee; yet it is teachings of contemplation in religion that shaped those same destructive impulses in humans into compassion and respect for life; in the same contemplation does not the power of science become transformed from weapons to tools and vice versa with the same temptation of flesh?

I just don't see what those are what you picture when you look at legacy.
 
Angel said:
If you're not being ironic, and on second thought even if you are, this is a profound thought.
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At least it might lend the whole thing a purpose.
 
In a way it's true.

Science informs you that you'll die a cosmically insignificant death, in a cosmically infinitesimal amount of time.
Religion tells you a fairy tale that is much more palatable.

The issue is that if you want that fairy tale, science is the tool we use to make it reality. Get on the brain train of science please, we need more people working to make the world better, instead of putting their head in the sand.
 
Colonnades said:
Yes and I have a deep respect for religion, simplicity, compassion and respect for life.

But, I also see great legacy in science. Without science ~ many people would starve and die in infancy. Without science - we are limited in our ability to operate in the world. Without science - our understanding of the world is reduce to stories and ideas.

The difference you are describing is like the difference between the feminine and the masculine parent. Feminine nurturing through giving the masculine through challenging. The feminine protecting though sacrifice of self the masculine through sacrifice to the greater whole.

One can see destruction, death and grieve a lifetime or open their eyes again and see that with death comes new life. In an eternal plain there could be no time/space, no change, no interaction between different levels of consciousness or being...the gift of death is life itself.

One can see the destructive capability of scientific power and be tempted to run, like some sees the destructive capability of humannessess and are tempted to be a bee; yet it is teachings of contemplation in religion that shaped those same destructive impulses in humans into compassion and respect for life; in the same contemplation does not the power of science become transformed from weapons to tools and vice versa with the same temptation of flesh?

I just don't see what those are what you picture when you look at legacy.
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Your post represents a well-considered and balanced view, brother. We have no quarrel, you and I. This thread is aimed at the ill-considered and imbalanced views of militant atheists, an attempt, if you will, to bring them around to a more tempered view, and perhaps from there to an expansive and fair-minded view like your own. :)
 
Mach said:
In a way it's true.

Science informs you that you'll die a cosmically insignificant death, in a cosmically infinitesimal amount of time.
Religion tells you a fairy tale that is much more palatable.

The issue is that if you want that fairy tale, science is the tool we use to make it reality. Get on the brain train of science please, we need more people working to make the world better, instead of putting their head in the sand.
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"Better"? What, pray, do you mean by that?
 
Mach said:
In a way it's true.

Science informs you that you'll die a cosmically insignificant death, in a cosmically infinitesimal amount of time.
Religion tells you a fairy tale that is much more palatable.

The issue is that if you want that fairy tale, science is the tool we use to make it reality. Get on the brain train of science please, we need more people working to make the world better, instead of putting their head in the sand.
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Is "the world better" for the existence of nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, toxic waste, drones, etc.?
Religion gave us ancient Greek drama, an unmatched repository of profound wisdom on human life.
Science gave us television, aptly known as the boob tube.
I'm all for science, but science in proper perspective.
When militant atheists attempt to ram science down my throat as the be-all and end-all of human life, as the panacea for all our earthly woes, it behooves me to point out that it has been, at best, a mixed blessing. :)
 
Mach said:
In a way it's true.

Science informs you that you'll die a cosmically insignificant death, in a cosmically infinitesimal amount of time.
Religion tells you a fairy tale that is much more palatable.

The issue is that if you want that fairy tale, science is the tool we use to make it reality. Get on the brain train of science please, we need more people working to make the world better, instead of putting their head in the sand.
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Yeah, how's that workin' for ya?

If believing a "fairy tale" as you put it, gives me a solid hope for the future and makes my life worth living NOW, I'll take it over what having no hope brings...thinking this is all there is, 70-80 years and then you die...even if it's a farce, it's a far better life than having no hope for a future...
 
Angel said:
When militant atheists attempt to ram science down my throat as the be-all and end-all of human life, as the panacea for all our earthly woes, it behooves me to point out that it has been, at best, a mixed blessing. :)
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Science is a tool, it can be used for good or bad.
Religion is a tool, it can be used for good or bad.

What's your point?
 
Angel said:
Science, whatever else it has bequeathed man, has delivered more and more efficient means of destruction and has brought the world to the brink of annihilation.
The picture depicts compassion and respect for life. Do you know what namaste is and what it means? :)
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The means of destruction is meaningless without a desire to destroy. It is the preaching of the divine that has given us crusades and jihads and the invention of sin.
 
Elvira said:
Yeah, how's that workin' for ya?
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My life has probably been saved hundreds if not thousands of times by science.
My 2nd floor doesn't collapse on me, my medical emergency was treated and I fully recovered, the medicines I take work, I have fairly clean food and water and don't blame the humors when I get sick. Pretty ****ing good, thanks for asking!

If believing a "fairy tale" as you put it, gives me a solid hope for the future and makes my life worth living NOW, I'll take it over what having no hope brings...thinking this is all there is, 70-80 years and then you die...even if it's a farce, it's a far better life than having no hope for a future...
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You can have your cake and eat it too, there is nothing wrong with believing all of that in your every day, and still supporting science fully. The human mind is not a switch you turn things on or off. Nearly all people hold simultaneously contradictory ideas in their head, all the time.
 
joG said:
"Better"? What, pray, do you mean by that?
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I'm thinking cure for cancer, and better heart condition management, maybe some kidney/diabetes solutions.

What is your idea of better? Ever use Amazon Prime? It's no cure for cancer, but it's pretty cool.
 
Mach said:
My life has probably been saved hundreds if not thousands of times by science.
My 2nd floor doesn't collapse on me, my medical emergency was treated and I fully recovered, the medicines I take work, I have fairly clean food and water and don't blame the humors when I get sick. Pretty ****ing good, thanks for asking!


You can have your cake and eat it too, there is nothing wrong with believing all of that in your every day, and still supporting science fully. The human mind is not a switch you turn things on or off. Nearly all people hold simultaneously contradictory ideas in their head, all the time.
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I never said I didn't believe in science...I just believe in God more...He is the one who created science after all...I've studied enough to know, rather than contradict one another, they compliment one another...
 
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