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Veganism makes me feel amoral

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I like veganism a lot.

Because under their morality, nobody who eats meat is a good person, we're all murders.
So? Who cares? I can do whatever I want, whenever I want, and it doesn't make me any less or more of a bad person. We're all bad people for eating meat. Everyone.
So **** trying to do the right thing right? I mean, you're not gonna make it there. it's like Christianity, you can't achieve perfection.

And well, if I can't make the impossible standard of being a good guy.. Let me just get used to being bad and be hedonistic about everything.

In fact, I don't even need to care for animals or treat them right. Because doing so would only make me a hypocrite for eating meat. So the only thing I can do is just spend my life thinking about me and me alone and do whatever I want whenever because I'm a bad person and I can't change.

Veganism make morality so easy... If you kill stuff you're bad, if you don't you're good... it's so simple. And because of that, most people are bad and can't be good.
So it's easy for me to embrace being bad.
Everyone else is bad?
Why not let me be bad?

When it's utterly impossible to be a good person, it makes life simple
 
I don't think this deeply about food.

My thoughts pretty much stop at... do I like this? Is it organic or full of chemicals? That's about it.
 
whateverdude said:
I like veganism a lot.

Because under their morality, nobody who eats meat is a good person, we're all murders.
So? Who cares? I can do whatever I want, whenever I want, and it doesn't make me any less or more of a bad person. We're all bad people for eating meat. Everyone.
So **** trying to do the right thing right? I mean, you're not gonna make it there. it's like Christianity, you can't achieve perfection.

And well, if I can't make the impossible standard of being a good guy.. Let me just get used to being bad and be hedonistic about everything.

In fact, I don't even need to care for animals or treat them right. Because doing so would only make me a hypocrite for eating meat. So the only thing I can do is just spend my life thinking about me and me alone and do whatever I want whenever because I'm a bad person and I can't change.

Veganism make morality so easy... If you kill stuff you're bad, if you don't you're good... it's so simple. And because of that, most people are bad and can't be good.
So it's easy for me to embrace being bad.
Everyone else is bad?
Why not let me be bad?

When it's utterly impossible to be a good person, it makes life simple
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I'm a vegan, about 20 years. No meat, no animal byproducts (milk, eggs...) and no leather.

And you're a Poe.
 
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Northern Light said:
I don't think this deeply about food.

My thoughts pretty much stop at... do I like this? Is it organic or full of chemicals? That's about it.
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I do't really care about organic or chemical, as long as it's good.
I spent my childhood on Lunchables, and those were the ****... Even though it was like a lab kit you can eat
 
whateverdude said:
Are non-vegans bad? Or amoral?
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ecofarm said:
I've been for about 20 years (I'm 46). And I agree with your points. I'm also not evangelical about it. I figure life is a demonstration and it's absurd to expect everyone to carry the same sign. There are a million ways to improve society, I don't expect everyone to engage in this particular way.
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ecofarm said:
I wish more vegetarians would see the good others do instead of ignorantly believing only their demonstration matters or thinking it's more important than other demonstrations. There's a ton of stuff helping society (and ecology) that I've never been a part of and have no interest in being a part of. We all pick up a demonstration sign or two and no one can carry all the signs we need to push us forward.
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ecofarm said:
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Well if I don't have to be a vegan to be a good person? What's the point then?
Why not enjoy the taste of meat, which is better than anything I would rather be a cannibal than a vegan, if you're still a good person?
Just seems like a lot of effort for nothing
 
whateverdude said:
Are non-vegans bad? Or amoral?
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I'm also a vegan and I don't believe non-vegans are bad for not being vegan. It would be awkward if I did, seeing as how my wife and kids and everybody I care about in my personal life are omnivores.
 
whateverdude said:
Well if I don't have to be a vegan to be a good person? What's the point then?
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This is a strawman you've invented that clearly nobody here is really relating to.

Most vegans I've met don't hold a morally superior position, they just don't like consuming animal products.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I'm also a vegan and I don't believe non-vegans are bad for not being vegan. It would be awkward if I did, seeing as how my wife and kids and everybody I care about in my personal life are omnivores.
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What if I personally treated an animal like a slaughterhouse did?
I stuffed a dog in a tiny cage and left it to rot in it's own urine and feces until I finally killed it.

How would I be any different than the average person who goes to the grocery store? Wouldn't that mean that you can't criticize my action as bad?

Northern Light said:
This is a strawman you've invented that clearly nobody here is really relating to.

Most vegans I've met don't hold a morally superior position, they just don't like consuming animal products.
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I don't believe that.
It has to be a moral position.. EVERYONE likes animal products. Nobody is gonna eat a good quality cut of meat and think, "Eww, gross"
'specially if it's bacon
 
whateverdude said:
What if I personally treated an animal like a slaughterhouse did?
I stuffed a dog in a tiny cage and left it to rot in it's own urine and feces until I finally killed it.

How would I be any different than the average person who goes to the grocery store? Wouldn't that mean that you can't criticize my action as bad?



I don't believe that.
It has to be a moral position.. EVERYONE likes animal products. Nobody is gonna eat a good quality cut of meat and think, "Eww, gross"
'specially if it's bacon
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First, I can think your specific actions are bad without thinking you are a bad person. Yes, factory farming is horrible but most people don't give it any thought when buying food. Odds are the clothes I am wearing and the phone I am typing on probably came from sweat shops or child labor. We are imperfect people living in an imperfect world.
 
Translate this into politics, what do you have? Meat heads, with their dense meat eating ideologies and fearful programming; "oh no, Obama liberal must be stopped, Trump must be stopped."

The Democrats aren't so bad, they don't have a self righteous religious philosophy with which to justify themselves and condemn others.

Then Reprobates go and scream about abortion being murder when cow has heartbeat, chicken has heartbeat.

Why should my tax dollars go to support murder?

I want the Green Party to come out and say they want to make schools vegan, armed forces, hospitals, retirement facilities, anything getting federal dollars; vegan. Then I will support the Green Party. Vegan, without onion or garlic, all whole grain.

The Green Party should take on GMO's too I want labels, I don't even want the stuff.

You would emasculate the meat industry in one mighty stroke and the market would adjust.
 
This seems like the vegan version of the atheist issue.

Someone says all the atheists they know ram their atheism down the throat of religious people. My experience has been exactly the opposite.

The OP seems to indicate that vegans think that carnivores are amoral. Sure, there are a few militant ones out there, but my experience is the exact opposite.

BTW, here is the recipe for some kick ass chocolate chip cookies.

The Best Vegan Chocolate Chip Cookies Ever!
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I'm also a vegan and I don't believe non-vegans are bad for not being vegan. It would be awkward if I did, seeing as how my wife and kids and everybody I care about in my personal life are omnivores.
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Do you lose quality at the dinner table because of your insistence on being different? Do you have less family diner experiences because of this? I am very curious about the day to day ramifications of your choice in a social sense, because I have to think there must be a cost here. If there is obviously you have decided to pay it.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
First, I can think your specific actions are bad without thinking you are a bad person. Yes, factory farming is horrible but most people don't give it any thought when buying food. Odds are the clothes I am wearing and the phone I am typing on probably came from sweat shops or child labor. We are imperfect people living in an imperfect world.
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With rotting systems that do less and less well at keeping the crap at bay, as I figure you know I think we used to be better.
 
"I don't eat animals.... I want nothing dead inside of me."
 
Angel said:
They do indeed! The whole world is ensouled. :)
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Do robots have souls? Yes, my computer has a soul. Someday it will die and go on to some other form of life, someday it may be a big robot that tackles me and says I was your computer in my past life and I had to live with your ignorant face pouring down on me all day long! I was your chair and you used to fart on me so here, pbbffllbbt!

We would hope that everybody wasn't so aware so we feed them all meat, even the robots.
 
Exquisitor said:
Do robots have souls?
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This one does. ;)
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Exquisitor said:
Translate this into politics, what do you have? Meat heads, with their dense meat eating ideologies and fearful programming; "oh no, Obama liberal must be stopped, Trump must be stopped."

The Democrats aren't so bad, they don't have a self righteous religious philosophy with which to justify themselves and condemn others.

Then Reprobates go and scream about abortion being murder when cow has heartbeat, chicken has heartbeat.

Why should my tax dollars go to support murder?

I want the Green Party to come out and say they want to make schools vegan, armed forces, hospitals, retirement facilities, anything getting federal dollars; vegan. Then I will support the Green Party. Vegan, without onion or garlic, all whole grain.

The Green Party should take on GMO's too I want labels, I don't even want the stuff.

You would emasculate the meat industry in one mighty stroke and the market would adjust.
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Once people know what a GMO is, i doubt it
 
CLAX1911 said:
Once people know what a GMO is, i doubt it
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I know, I hate Acronyms too.

You doubt what?

That people would want genetically modified food?

What about when those pesticides on corn start mutating and getting into other parts of their bodies like the kernels?

Fish don't grow big enough if you feed them? You can't get bigger fish through breeding?

I can't even eat corn chips anymore.

You're killing all the bees.
 
Exquisitor said:
I know, I hate Acronyms too.

You doubt what?
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People would care.

That people would want genetically modified food?
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Geneticly modified food has been around for centuries.

What about when those pesticides on corn start mutating and getting into other parts of their bodies like the kernels?
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Those "pesticides" are part of the DNA molecule, just amino acids that the rest of the corn DNA is made of. It is in the kernels.

Fish don't grow big enough if you feed them? You can't get bigger fish through breeding?
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Um...okay.

I can't even eat corn chips anymore.
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Not sure why.

You're killing all the bees.
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What?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Geneticly modified food has been around for centuries.
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Equating breeding with GM is idiotic. I mean really a height of ignorance. Downright pathetic.

Corn and bacteria, or corn and synthetic genes, have not been mating for centuries. Antibiotic resistance, a part of the process, has not been mating with corn for centuries. Herbicide (Roundup, an herbicide made by the same company providing the GM plants) resistance genes, capable of being transferred to other (unintended) plant species, has not been mating with corn for centuries.

Gene splicing at all, let alone between different kingdoms or synthetics, has not been around for centuries.

Who told you that moronic crap you spewed. It's a false equivalence that only someone totally ignorant on the subject could accept.
 
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