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    Re: The Bible

    That is interesting.

    I have seen different interpretations of the Bible regarding what "eternal death" means. They can generally be broken into 2 categories.
    1) Death - eternal separation from God. Nothingness forever.
    2) Some form of eternal spiritual torment. This requires somehow living forever to experience torment.

    This begs the question as to whether those who never heard of Christ get a 2nd chance.

    This is the website you linked attempting to answer:
    https://www.gotquestions.org/second-...salvation.html
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    Re: The Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    That is interesting.

    I have seen different interpretations of the Bible regarding what "eternal death" means. They can generally be broken into 2 categories.
    1) Death - eternal separation from God. Nothingness forever.
    2) Some form of eternal spiritual torment. This requires somehow living forever to experience torment.

    This begs the question as to whether those who never heard of Christ get a 2nd chance.

    This is the website you linked attempting to answer:
    https://www.gotquestions.org/second-...salvation.html
    That is some industrial-grade craycray at that link.
    Well, he see this one particularly hot chick and not does she bag he slackjawed, but he lets a "Whoa" slip out

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    Re: The Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    That is interesting.

    I have seen different interpretations of the Bible regarding what "eternal death" means. They can generally be broken into 2 categories.
    1) Death - eternal separation from God. Nothingness forever.
    2) Some form of eternal spiritual torment. This requires somehow living forever to experience torment.

    This begs the question as to whether those who never heard of Christ get a 2nd chance.

    This is the website you linked attempting to answer:
    https://www.gotquestions.org/second-...salvation.html
    According to the Bible, those who never heard of Christ will get another chance to learn about him and Jehovah God...

    The apostle Paul said to a group of Jews who also entertained the hope of a resurrection that “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” Acts 24:15...

    Paul also said in Romans 6:23, "For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord."

    So when we die, we have paid our debt for our sins committed in this life...there would be no further need of a resurrection of the unrighteous for judging, unless that judging is for our deeds after our resurrection, not before...

    None of these unrighteous ones are raised simply to be judged worthy of death again. In the righteous environment that will prevail earth wide under God’s Kingdom, they will be helped to bring their lives into harmony with Jehovah’s ways. The vision showed that “the scroll of life” will be opened. Hence, they will have opportunity to get their names entered in it. They will be “judged individually according to their deeds” performed after their resurrection. (Revelation 20:12, 13) Thus, viewed from the standpoint of the final outcome, theirs can prove to be “a resurrection of life” and will not unavoidably be “a resurrection of [condemnatory] judgment.”—John 5:28, 29.
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/...ighteous&p=par
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    Re: The Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir View Post
    That is some industrial-grade craycray at that link.
    Then you'll definitely enjoy this:
    Conservative Bible Project - Conservapedia

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    Re: The Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    According to the Bible, those who never heard of Christ will get another chance to learn about him and Jehovah God...

    The apostle Paul said to a group of Jews who also entertained the hope of a resurrection that “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” Acts 24:15...

    Paul also said in Romans 6:23, "For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord."

    So when we die, we have paid our debt for our sins committed in this life...there would be no further need of a resurrection of the unrighteous for judging, unless that judging is for our deeds after our resurrection, not before...




    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/...ighteous&p=par
    What you posted is actually logical to me - a rational interpretation of what the Bible says when I read it.

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    Re: The Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    Ask God when you meet Him.
    Why can't god tell me right now?
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    Re: The Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Believing that this is all there is to life is not true wisdom...
    Why can't the acceptance of physical reality being all there is be considered wisdom? A wise person would then try to make the most of their limited existence. Wisdom is not only open to those who believe in the supernatural and believing in something is not a sign of wisdom. Wisdom comes from the experience of living in this physical world.
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    Re: The Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    What obvious? You said:





    Just because He's omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, doesn't necessarily mean He cannot have any requirements for His creation!

    He doesn't need to, He doesn't have to........ BUT, He wants to!
    He doesn't have to have a referendum on what we think about it.....he doesn't have to explain to us, either!
    That's His prerogative for being God!


    I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your statement.....
    What's obvious from the posts here, is that, so many atheists don't seem to have any real understanding
    of the concept of God.
    And how is it that a mere human like you knows about god and his intentions? Have you read his mind?
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    Re: The Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    Then you'll definitely enjoy this:
    Conservative Bible Project - Conservapedia
    Ah, yes. One of the dumbest sites in the history of the Internet.
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    Re: The Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post


    You gotta be kidding me!

    He made and gave the requirements, didn't He?
    He told us what He wants for us to do, didn't He?
    But you went beyond that. You claimed you know why god did it. To know that, you would have to read his mind.
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