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Thread: The Trolley Problem

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    Re: The Trolley Problem

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    Re: The Trolley Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    Simple, you see a speeding trolley and the tracks split into two.

    On one track, your true love is trapped.

    On the other, your relatives are trapped (your mom, dad, etc)

    You have a lever that changes the track that the trolley moves into.

    What do you do???
    I do not like the question because doing nothing still lets people live. So, it allows that option. I rather they all be on the same track, and you only have time to save a few...or maybe just one. Who do you pick?


    Or do you go smoke a cigarette and start singing, "I'm Free" by the Who.

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    Re: The Trolley Problem

    I always liked the Everly's. Bye Bye Love.
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    Re: The Trolley Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    In both scenarios five persons die unless I interfere.
    The decision not to throw the switch / push the fat man is still a decision. It's still a choice.


    I would prefer not to interfere at all and avoid any and all responsibility for anyone's death.
    That's not an option.

    While you did not construct the situation, you had the ability to have a causal effect -- the same causal effect -- in both scenarios. The only difference is the mechanism by which someone is killed. Either you pull a switch, or you physically push a person.

    All you're doing is fighting the scenario, instead of recognizing what it's trying to illustrate.

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    Re: The Trolley Problem

    I'd cut the power to the trolley and save them all.


    Failing that...my one true love (right now) is me, so that side will be empty.

    So I will save what is left of my family.
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    Re: The Trolley Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    The decision not to throw the switch / push the fat man is still a decision. It's still a choice.

    I would prefer not to interfere at all and avoid any and all responsibility for anyone's death.
    That's not an option.

    While you did not construct the situation, you had the ability to have a causal effect -- the same causal effect -- in both scenarios. The only difference is the mechanism by which someone is killed. Either you pull a switch, or you physically push a person.

    All you're doing is fighting the scenario, instead of recognizing what it's trying to illustrate.
    The scenario tries to illustrate that human beings are more comfortable killing impersonally than personally. There. You see. I recognize the issue.
    However, if non-interference is not an option, then the scenario is forcing the issue.
    The scenario forces my initial moral choice of interference/non-interference.
    Morally speaking, killing someone with a switch and killing someone with a shove are indistinguishable.
    The scenario makes a point about psychology, not morality.
    I mistook this as a thought experiment on morality.
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    Re: The Trolley Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The scenario tries to illustrate that human beings are more comfortable killing impersonally than personally. There. You see. I recognize the issue.
    However, if non-interference is not an option, then the scenario is forcing the issue.
    The artificiality is deliberate. No matter how you modify it, for 99.9% of the population it's an unrealistic and unlikely situation. The scenario is forcing the issue, to make you think about how people are more comfortable killing with a switch than a shove.


    The scenario makes a point about psychology, not morality.
    I mistook this as a thought experiment on morality.
    It is useful for psychology researchers, who later adopted it. Separating morality and psychology is not always neat and easy.

    That said: It's about morality, in part because emotions are tied into morality. It's also a launching pad for discussions of consequentialism, which asserts that we should think primarily about outcomes; and yet, people consider far more than just outcomes when making moral choices.

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