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If You Were Offered The Opportunity To See Satan Would You?

rhinefire

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No one can say what Satan is or what it looks like so if you were afford a chance to view it would you? For me if it does exit I don't want to ever see it.
 
Not that I believe in such things, but wasn't he considered the most beautiful of angels? Why do we assume his fall turned him hideous?
 
My grandmother believed wholeheartedly that you called evil to you when you even thought about it. She refused to even say "Satan". She also believed that we could see glimpses of it when people acted out of malice.

I somewhat agree and there is nothing worth seeing there.
 
rhinefire said:
No one can say what Satan is or what it looks like so if you were afford a chance to view it would you? For me if it does exit I don't want to ever see it.
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I suffer from both the sin of curiosity and the strength to confront my fears. So I would be willing to see what Satan looked like.

I'd have no fear, because if Satan was shown to exist...then he is proof of my faith that the Creator does as well.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Not that I believe in such things, but wasn't he considered the most beautiful of angels? Why do we assume his fall turned him hideous?
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Lucifer, 'Light-giver' was the favourite of the angels. He refused to accept God's dominion because God didn't create the angels, they and God were equally eternal, so he and his followers were cast out of heaven. He became Satan, but I don't know of any story that says he became hideous. Faust wasn't terrified by him, anyway.
It's all a good story, like a Nordic epic.
 
I lived with the woman for 3 years. The day she left was a great day in my life. No real desire to ever see her again.
 
Grand Mal said:
Lucifer, 'Light-giver' was the favourite of the angels. He refused to accept God's dominion because God didn't create the angels, they and God were equally eternal, so he and his followers were cast out of heaven. He became Satan, but I don't know of any story that says he became hideous. Faust wasn't terrified by him, anyway.
It's all a good story, like a Nordic epic.
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Because God didn't create the angels?
Which religion is pushing that?
 
Excon said:
Because God didn't create the angels?
Which religion is pushing that?
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I'm not going to search for a citation for you right now, but that's Christianity. What were you taught was the reason for Lucifer's expulsion?
 
Grand Mal said:
I'm not going to search for a citation for you right now, but that's Christianity.
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So what you are saying is that Christians do not believe that G_d created the Angles. That is a very odd position to take.
 
Excon said:
So what you are saying is that Christians do not believe that G_d created the Angles. That is a very odd position to take.
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Who is Satan? A fallen angel?
 
If such a being existed, why wouldn't I want to meet it?

Rebelled against a celestial tyranny? My kinda guy. I rather enjoy the TV Show, cool concept.

"I'm not evil, I punish evil." - Lucifer Morningstar
 
Excon said:
Because God didn't create the angels?
Which religion is pushing that?
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I had never heard of that theory but the Bible doesn't rule it out. The Bible says the angels were present before Creation. There is nothing in the Bible, that I remember, that says when the angels or heaven were created. And don't most Christians believe such things exist outside of time anyway?
 
Grand Mal said:
Who is Satan? A fallen angel?
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What you claimed is in question, nothing else.

Grand Mal said:
... because God didn't create the angels ...
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So again.

Which religion is pushing that? ​




Skeptic Bob said:
I had never heard of that theory but the Bible doesn't rule it out. The Bible says the angels were present before Creation. There is nothing in the Bible, that I remember, that says when the angels or heaven were created. And don't most Christians believe such things exist outside of time anyway?
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I am asking which religion is pushing that.

Ephesus 3:9 :shrug:
Which ever translation you are using it says G_d created everything.
 
Excon said:
What you claimed is in question, nothing else.

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So again.

Which religion is pushing that? ​






I am asking which religion is pushing that.

Ephesus 3:9 :shrug:
Which ever translation you are using it says G_d created everything.
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Nobody's pushing it. Let's back off a notch on the rhetoric and look at it. As Bob said, the angels existed before the creation, right? It's the angels God is referring to when He uses the plurals, 'our' and 'us'. Agreed?
 
Grand Mal said:
Nobody's pushing it. Let's back off a notch on the rhetoric and look at it. As Bob said, the angels existed before the creation, right? It's the angels God is referring to when He uses the plurals, 'our' and 'us'. Agreed?
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You made a definitive claim.
Now it appears you are backing off from it. :shrug:

As provided. G_d created everything. That is not a limited statement.
 
Grand Mal said:
Nobody's pushing it. Let's back off a notch on the rhetoric and look at it. As Bob said, the angels existed before the creation, right? It's the angels God is referring to when He uses the plurals, 'our' and 'us'. Agreed?
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No, He's referring to His triune nature.
 
rhinefire said:
No one can say what Satan is or what it looks like so if you were afford a chance to view it would you? For me if it does exit I don't want to ever see it.
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According to many, including a couple of ex wives, I'll get the opportunity soon enough. Why would I want to hurry it?
 
Pass. Looking in the other direction.
 
Excon said:
You made a definitive claim.
Now it appears you are backing off from it. :shrug:

As provided. G_d created everything. That is not a limited statement.
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I'm not at all. The angels existed before the creation. Do you disagree?
 
I actually have met Satan. He's a perfectly nice fellow, despite the hysteria surrounding him. He is the brother and teacher of Jesus, and his name is another name of God, if you read the Bible carefully enough...
 
Goshin said:
But were created.
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I dunno, that's an assumption. If the whole story can begin with an assumption, doesn't that take away from the authority of the written words?
If the Bible doesn't mention the creation of the angels, but they existed in the creation story, maybe they weren't created. Maybe they just were, like God.
Do you believe the story that Satan was a fallen angel?
 
Grand Mal said:
I dunno, that's an assumption. If the whole story can begin with an assumption, doesn't that take away from the authority of the written words?
If the Bible doesn't mention the creation of the angels, but they existed in the creation story, maybe they weren't created. Maybe they just were, like God.
Do you believe the story that Satan was a fallen angel?
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In the beginning was God. Bible is pretty clear about that.

Yes Lucifer is a fallen angel.
 
Goshin said:
In the beginning was God. Bible is pretty clear about that.
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Actually, that's not so clear. Here are the first few verses of Genesis (in a literal English translation):

In the time of creation, the Elohim created the heavens and the earth.

And the earth became chaos and vacancy, and darkness was upon the surfaces of the abyss, and the breath of the Elohim vibrated over the surfaces of the waters.

And the Elohim said he shall become light, and he became light.

That second verse is a bit problematic. The stuff that existed (the abyss, the waters, the stuff that was chaos and vacancy) is not mentioned as having been created anywhere. It seems to have just been present. Now, it's possible, based on the text, that God created those things prior to when the text begins. But it is also consistent with the text that that stuff existed first, and God emerged later from it.
 
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