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We May Never Learn Aout Life Elswhere

rhinefire

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1.The nearest planet suspected of possible life is 400 light years away.
2."Intelligent" life may have no desire to send out probes looking for life.
3. Life forms elsewhere may be insects or aquatic life only.
5. SETI has never found any signal from anywhere and still has never attempted to SEND signals.
6. The universe is expanding.
7. Relative to an example of how far we have gone in our exploration of space the amount we have done is equal to one glass of water from our Earth's oceans.
8. Life elsewhere may have come and gone.
9. We cannot communicate with a single species on Earth and we share the same DNA with them so what makes anyone think e could succeed with aliens?
10.We are not genetically designed to travel thousands of years to a planet that may or may not have life.
 
1. Life as WE know it, yes.
2. May not, but likely does.
3. Most likely true...ours is an older Galaxy...
5. They have not found signals we are familiar with.
6. Yes, but our galaxy is not.
7. And even in that single glass, you would find life...you just need to know what yours
8. Most likely true.
9. Not true. We communicate with other species all the time.
10. That's a matter of means. "If man were meant to fly, he'd be born with wings".
 
Sounds like a profound disbelief in UFOs/aliens.
 
rhinefire said:
1.The nearest planet suspected of possible life is 400 light years away.
2."Intelligent" life may have no desire to send out probes looking for life.
3. Life forms elsewhere may be insects or aquatic life only.
5. SETI has never found any signal from anywhere and still has never attempted to SEND signals.
6. The universe is expanding.
7. Relative to an example of how far we have gone in our exploration of space the amount we have done is equal to one glass of water from our Earth's oceans.
8. Life elsewhere may have come and gone.
9. We cannot communicate with a single species on Earth and we share the same DNA with them so what makes anyone think e could succeed with aliens?
10.We are not genetically designed to travel thousands of years to a planet that may or may not have life.
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Europa is thought to be able to hold life since it has vast oceans. Also, life may have existed once on Mars, it used to have free flowing water and an atmosphere. There could be evidence of life on other planets in our own solar system. Now it’s likely not to be “intelligent” life, but if you can prove that live exists elsewhere, then there is no reason to believe that intelligent life could not have developed somewhere.

I don’t know if we’ll find proof of other intelligent life anytime soon. And if there is intelligent life out there, it would do well to stay away from us. Humanity is a right aggressive lot, look at how much time and effort we spend at fighting and killing ourselves. Any intelligent race that may even be able to communicate, merely needs to observe us for some time to say, “Nope, **** that”. And **** that they should, we don’t trust a damned thing, not even ourselves. If aliens made themselves known to humanity, we’d stop fighting each other as much and look to fight them instead. Any “intelligent” race that reveals itself to us signs its own death warrant.

So will we find intelligent life anytime soon? Likely not. But we may find evidence of life of some sorts exists on planets or existed on planets other than our own. Regardless, we need to get out to space, start taking some other planets for our own. We can’t live on the ball of rock forever, and we need to make fortifications and defenses against alien species that may or may not exist. Fight them there not here, lol.
 
I would bet good money there is intelligent life out there. Lots of it. The universe is too massive. And that is just the observable universe, which might just be a spec of sand compared to the actual universe. But the vast size is also why I think contact with such intelligent life is unlikely.
 
Ikari said:
Europa is thought to be able to hold life since it has vast oceans. Also, life may have existed once on Mars, it used to have free flowing water and an atmosphere. There could be evidence of life on other planets in our own solar system. Now it’s likely not to be “intelligent” life, but if you can prove that live exists elsewhere, then there is no reason to believe that intelligent life could not have developed somewhere.

I don’t know if we’ll find proof of other intelligent life anytime soon. And if there is intelligent life out there, it would do well to stay away from us. Humanity is a right aggressive lot, look at how much time and effort we spend at fighting and killing ourselves. Any intelligent race that may even be able to communicate, merely needs to observe us for some time to say, “Nope, **** that”. And **** that they should, we don’t trust a damned thing, not even ourselves. If aliens made themselves known to humanity, we’d stop fighting each other as much and look to fight them instead. Any “intelligent” race that reveals itself to us signs its own death warrant.

So will we find intelligent life anytime soon? Likely not. But we may find evidence of life of some sorts exists on planets or existed on planets other than our own. Regardless, we need to get out to space, start taking some other planets for our own. We can’t live on the ball of rock forever, and we need to make fortifications and defenses against alien species that may or may not exist. Fight them there not here, lol.
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Let us be the alien invaders for a change!
 
rhinefire said:
1.The nearest planet suspected of possible life is 400 light years away.
2."Intelligent" life may have no desire to send out probes looking for life.
3. Life forms elsewhere may be insects or aquatic life only.
5. SETI has never found any signal from anywhere and still has never attempted to SEND signals.
6. The universe is expanding.
7. Relative to an example of how far we have gone in our exploration of space the amount we have done is equal to one glass of water from our Earth's oceans.
8. Life elsewhere may have come and gone.
9. We cannot communicate with a single species on Earth and we share the same DNA with them so what makes anyone think e could succeed with aliens?
10.We are not genetically designed to travel thousands of years to a planet that may or may not have life.
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1. Depending on how innovative humankind can be to invent and safely use faster than light travel. Of all the scientific and engineering disciplines involved in space flight, seems that the physicists are the ones who have the least progress to show, at least that I can think of.

2. Possibly. Is the desire for exploration strictly a human trait? Other than humankind, we've no frame of reference on that.

3. Quite possibly. Suffice it to say non-advanced forms of like that have achieved sentience.

6. Is expanding at least as far as our instrumentation and understanding lead us to believe.

7. Yup. Actually, I'd say a single drop of water. The universe is very, very large, compared to our solar system.

8. Possibly, Doesn't this go back to 'how old is the universe' question?

9. Doesn't this go back to communicating with sentient life? I thought that humans are the only sentient life on Earth.

10. We are not genetically designed to fly, travel across the surface of the Earth faster than we can run either. Human invent technology to exceed their physical limitations, always have, always will. This will include traveling thousands of light years to other planets, hopefully, eventually. See FTL comment above.
 
BrewerBob said:
I would bet good money there is intelligent life out there. Lots of it. The universe is too massive. And that is just the observable universe, which might just be a spec of sand compared to the actual universe. But the vast size is also why I think contact with such intelligent life is unlikely.
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I think you are correct. With billions of galaxies with trillions of stars and gazzillions of planets it seems mathematically impossible that there is only place where some form of life exists.

There is no reason that life elsewhere must be even remotely similar to life here. A few short years ago it was assumed that life could not live without O2, did not exist in salt or solid ice. Now we've found life in all of those.
 
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rhinefire said:
1.The nearest planet suspected of possible life is 400 light years away.
2."Intelligent" life may have no desire to send out probes looking for life.
3. Life forms elsewhere may be insects or aquatic life only.
5. SETI has never found any signal from anywhere and still has never attempted to SEND signals.
6. The universe is expanding.
7. Relative to an example of how far we have gone in our exploration of space the amount we have done is equal to one glass of water from our Earth's oceans.
8. Life elsewhere may have come and gone.
9. We cannot communicate with a single species on Earth and we share the same DNA with them so what makes anyone think e could succeed with aliens?
10.We are not genetically designed to travel thousands of years to a planet that may or may not have life.
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True, instead our mission should be to see if we can discover any intelligent life on Earth, so far it is like looking for a needle in a hay stack.
 
rhinefire said:
1.The nearest planet suspected of possible life is 400 light years away.
2."Intelligent" life may have no desire to send out probes looking for life.
3. Life forms elsewhere may be insects or aquatic life only.
5. SETI has never found any signal from anywhere and still has never attempted to SEND signals.
6. The universe is expanding.
7. Relative to an example of how far we have gone in our exploration of space the amount we have done is equal to one glass of water from our Earth's oceans.
8. Life elsewhere may have come and gone.
9. We cannot communicate with a single species on Earth and we share the same DNA with them so what makes anyone think e could succeed with aliens?
10.We are not genetically designed to travel thousands of years to a planet that may or may not have life.
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In response to 5, while most likely true, there still is the signals that have to be investigated further


HD 164595: 'Strong signal' from sun-like star sparks alien speculation - CNN.com
 
Interesting that what you think about this topic depends, to great extent, on your assumptions. Suppose you think the universe is an illusion (while I'm not sure I believe this, it's a more reasonable position than most are willing to admit). There need be no life out there then.
 
eohrnberger said:
1. Depending on how innovative humankind can be to invent and safely use faster than light travel. Of all the scientific and engineering disciplines involved in space flight, seems that the physicists are the ones who have the least progress to show, at least that I can think of.

2. Possibly. Is the desire for exploration strictly a human trait? Other than humankind, we've no frame of reference on that.

3. Quite possibly. Suffice it to say non-advanced forms of like that have achieved sentience.

6. Is expanding at least as far as our instrumentation and understanding lead us to believe.

7. Yup. Actually, I'd say a single drop of water. The universe is very, very large, compared to our solar system.

8. Possibly, Doesn't this go back to 'how old is the universe' question?

9. Doesn't this go back to communicating with sentient life? I thought that humans are the only sentient life on Earth.

10. We are not genetically designed to fly, travel across the surface of the Earth faster than we can run either. Human invent technology to exceed their physical limitations, always have, always will. This will include traveling thousands of light years to other planets, hopefully, eventually. See FTL comment above.
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Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

I have always been interested in space travel, but until humans get their act together and stop being the warmongers we have been since time began, who would want to welcome us - unless they are worse than we are, and who needs the worry that they could in turn visit our planet? :shock:
 
If anyone here knows of any experimental evidence that the speed of light can be exceeded, please cite me to it. If we could make a craft which could reach, say, ninety per cent of the speed of light, I suppose it might be possible to reach one of the Centauri stars and get a good look at one or more of its planets. (Of course we would first need very strong evidence there were planets there.) If the craft's engine could accelerate it, year after year, at the rate of one G--and we are very far from being able to make any engine like that--it might achieve an average overall speed for the trip of somewhat less than half the speed of light. That would mean a decade or so to reach the nearest stars, and another decade to return to Earth. Probably too long to have people on board, but that might not be very important.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

I have always been interested in space travel, but until humans get their act together and stop being the warmongers we have been since time began, who would want to welcome us - unless they are worse than we are, and who needs the worry that they could in turn visit our planet? :shock:
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Greetings, Polgara. :2wave:

I think that your concerns over warmongering, while legitimate her eon Earth, are probably not in play should we find sentient, intelligent life on another planet, unless of course they start attacking our astronauts, or sending asteroids at the Earth.
 
The other night I swear I saw a UFO but it turned out to be a drone. A couple glasses of wine and suddenly you're the big family joke.
 
BrewerBob said:
I would bet good money there is intelligent life out there. Lots of it. The universe is too massive. And that is just the observable universe, which might just be a spec of sand compared to the actual universe. But the vast size is also why I think contact with such intelligent life is unlikely.
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Clever bet. A one-way bet in your favour as no one could ever prove you wrong.
 
matchlight said:
If anyone here knows of any experimental evidence that the speed of light can be exceeded, please cite me to it. If we could make a craft which could reach, say, ninety per cent of the speed of light, I suppose it might be possible to reach one of the Centauri stars and get a good look at one or more of its planets. (Of course we would first need very strong evidence there were planets there.) If the craft's engine could accelerate it, year after year, at the rate of one G--and we are very far from being able to make any engine like that--it might achieve an average overall speed for the trip of somewhat less than half the speed of light. That would mean a decade or so to reach the nearest stars, and another decade to return to Earth. Probably too long to have people on board, but that might not be very important.
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Because of relativistic time dilation, the time would seem to be less for the spaceship crew. At very near the speed of light, the spaceship could travel millions of light years within a human life time for the crew. Of course the time here on earth would still be millions of years, so there would probably be no one here to welcome them back.
 
JohnPaul said:
Because of relativistic time dilation, the time would seem to be less for the spaceship crew. At very near the speed of light, the spaceship could travel millions of light years within a human life time for the crew. Of course the time here on earth would still be millions of years, so there would probably be no one here to welcome them back.
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Another possibility for faster than light travel might be some of the mysteries of what may be happening with quantum entanglement. Something there seems to be happening faster than the speed of light- some interaction occurring between entangled particles which might be short circuiting relativistic limitations. Could there be some interaction occurring through the additional dimensions of string theory? Might we find a way to exploit these extra dimensions for faster than light travel? Could it be through these dimensions, the Andromeda galaxy is actually within walking distance? A Leisurely Stroll through anti-De Sitter Space... sounds like the title of a good science-fiction book....
 
rhinefire said:
1.The nearest planet suspected of possible life is 400 light years away.
2."Intelligent" life may have no desire to send out probes looking for life.
3. Life forms elsewhere may be insects or aquatic life only.
5. SETI has never found any signal from anywhere and still has never attempted to SEND signals.
6. The universe is expanding.
7. Relative to an example of how far we have gone in our exploration of space the amount we have done is equal to one glass of water from our Earth's oceans.
8. Life elsewhere may have come and gone.
9. We cannot communicate with a single species on Earth and we share the same DNA with them so what makes anyone think e could succeed with aliens?
10.We are not genetically designed to travel thousands of years to a planet that may or may not have life.
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I would not at all be surprised to see life beneath the ice on one or two of Saturn and Jupiter's moons.
 
ataraxia said:
Another possibility for faster than light travel might be some of the mysteries of what may be happening with quantum entanglement. Something there seems to be happening faster than the speed of light- some interaction occurring between entangled particles which might be short circuiting relativistic limitations. Could there be some interaction occurring through the additional dimensions of string theory? Might we find a way to exploit these extra dimensions for faster than light travel? Could it be through these dimensions, the Andromeda galaxy is actually within walking distance? A Leisurely Stroll through anti-De Sitter Space... sounds like the title of a good science-fiction book....
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Yes. But even if Trump declares a full-scale effort to put a man on a Centauri planet before Russia oes, I don't think it will happen in the next ten years. I fear that the first interplanetary colony will not be English speaking.
 
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