Trump and the Religous Right...another reason I love him

CriticalThought said:

I truly love Donald Trump. I would never vote for him but I love him. He has done some spectacular things this election for which I will always be grateful. My favorite to date is what he has done with the Religous Right.

Set the scene...Trump is endorsed by Evangelical leaders. Nevermind he struggles with faith questions and his favorite Bible verse is "an eye for an eye". Nevermind he refers to "Second Corinthians" as "Two Corinthians". Nevermind he is twice divorced and an admitted adulterer. Nevermind he has allegedly stolen money from his own charitable foundation.

They endorsed him enmass and then the video comes out and he brags about sexually assaulting women.

And the best part...most of the Religous Right stick with him.

Clinton by contrast has stuck to her marriage despite her husband's infidelity and has had behavior consistent with her professed Methodist beliefs for decades and the right paint her as a Godless, Marxist harlot.

This is beautiful because the Religous Right are the modern day Pharisees. They are the hypocrites. They chose Donald Trump as the harbinger of "family values". That will follow them forever.

I love Donald Trump because he exposed the Religous Right for what they are...an anti abortion and anti gay movement. Those are the only things they really care about and they will vote for ANYONE as long as they are aligned with them on abortion and gays.

I know there are exceptions, and I respect their principles, but the movement has been made into a laughing stock by one man. My own orange hero. The Donald. The guy who could say or do anything at this point and still have the support of the "traditional values" coalition. There has to be a God.

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I've voted Republican a long time ago, and I attribute it to the naivete' & ignorance of youth.

But today I despise the GOP. Even though I've dislike the GOP in the past, I've respected and even practiced some conservative values, and as a Catholic I felt I could empathize with and have some understanding of the Religious Right.

But no more.

I've come to see GOP conservatism as another name for greed and political expediency, and see the Religious Right as hypocritical pieces of ****.

I could respect opposing views when espoused by principled individuals. But that's not what's happening here. I've come to believe these so-called conservative and religious principles the Republicans espouse are a freaking farce. An excuse sold to Indies, Dems, and liberals, to justify their opposing behaviour. And oh! How they love to proudly claim they have the higher moral ground! Well, bull freaking ****! That's all I've got to say.

They've shown us their true colors, and have been exposed for the bull**** they are!

ModerateGOP said:

I'm a Republican because I can't stand the liberal base in the Democrat Party, but Trump has me second guessing my own party here! I've had conversations with creationists, priests and the head of the board of directors at one of the most religious organizations in the country and they all stick by TRUMP! They are more angry at Paul Ryan. Good Grief!

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I think you need to associate yourself with better people. Unfortunately, it's not the GOP, and likely not the Dems either.

So we're kinda screwed here.

Chomsky said:

I think you need to associate yourself with better people. Unfortunately, it's not the GOP, and likely not the Dems either.

So we're kinda screwed here.

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There's another option. But they're "Crazy." They want less spending and less taxes and less intrusiveness on our personal lives. Yep, they're pretty out there with those ideas. Don't waste a vote on them. Waste your vote on someone you don't like.

Brewdog said:

There's another option. But they're "Crazy." They want less spending and less taxes and less intrusiveness on our personal lives. Yep, they're pretty out there with those ideas. Don't waste a vote on them. Waste your vote on someone you don't like.

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Meh, I've had my time with them. But I do respect them, and appreciate their apparent sincerity.

But I've got to have a bit more social support in the platform, particularly a workable universal healthcare plan - preferably single-payer. I woulda' been fine with Bernie.

I had my Libertarian time in my early twenties.

Chomsky said:

Meh, I've had my time with them. But I do respect them, and appreciate their apparent sincerity.

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That's one thing I loved about Ron Paul. John Stewart said on his show that he'd received a lot of emails last election as to why he didn't ever make fun of Ron Paul. John Stewart said, we make our living showing inconsistencies with the candidates and Ron Paul has always been consistent.

Like them or not, the libertarians are honest. When Gary Johnson effed up on Aleppo, he went on air the next day and say he should have known better and would try harder. The other two parties won't do that. They're rotten and dishonest.

Chomsky said:

I think you need to associate yourself with better people. Unfortunately, it's not the GOP, and likely not the Dems either.

So we're kinda screwed here.

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I'm working on getting a new job, so hopefully that comes to fruition soon. Otherwise I'm stuck working in a far-right religious organization.

Chomsky said:

I had my Libertarian time in my early twenties.

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I'm in my late twenties, in my early twenties I might have considered libertarian philosophy for a few months, but I never really committed. It was too idealistic. Hypocritical, and with a lack of common sense masquerading as one. When you break down libertarian philosophy, it just doesn't work out. The math doesn't add up and things fall apart. I think Talk Radio really gave rise to the libertarian right who don't trust any bureaucrat and that's why Trump is doing as well as he is doing. That's why he has 40% of the base. He does and says everything they do with no track record to back him up.

For the life of me, I can't understand why more of them aren't pissed off about these allegations against him. Pick one...

ModerateGOP said:

I'm in my late twenties, in my early twenties I might have considered libertarian philosophy for a few months, but I never really committed. It was too idealistic. Hypocritical

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The least hypocritical of political ideologies is libertarianism.

Brewdog said:

The least hypocritical of political ideologies is libertarianism.

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I would say the most hypocritical is left libertarianism. You cannot actively wish the government to be big and small at the same time.

ModerateGOP said:

I would say the most hypocritical is left libertarianism. You cannot actively wish the government to be big and small at the same time.

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We want it to be big? You surely have no concept of libertarianism.

Brewdog said:

We want it to be big? You surely have no concept of libertarianism.

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Do you know what the left in left libertarianism implies??? Chomsky considers himself a left libertarian and he wants 100% government controlled health care!!!! How is that not hypocritical to the libertarian value of less government?

Chomsky said:

But I've got to have a bit more social support in the platform, particularly a workable universal healthcare plan - preferably single-payer. I woulda' been fine with Bernie.

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ModerateGOP said:

I'm working on getting a new job, so hopefully that comes to fruition soon. Otherwise I'm stuck working in a far-right religious organization.

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Actually, I was speaking in terms of political association. I didn't direct my comment at your personal life, and would never intend to intrude there.

But since you mentioned it - good luck there! :thumbs:

Brewdog said:

The least hypocritical of political ideologies is libertarianism.

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It is also the most self-centered and not in a good way. A society is not just your family.

ModerateGOP said:

I'm in my late twenties, in my early twenties I might have considered libertarian philosophy for a few months, but I never really committed. It was too idealistic. Hypocritical, and with a lack of common sense masquerading as one. When you break down libertarian philosophy, it just doesn't work out. The math doesn't add up and things fall apart. I think Talk Radio really gave rise to the libertarian right who don't trust any bureaucrat and that's why Trump is doing as well as he is doing. That's why he has 40% of the base. He does and says everything they do with no track record to back him up.

For the life of me, I can't understand why more of them aren't pissed off about these allegations against him. Pick one...

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I had my flirtation with Libertarianism at a point in my life where I was a young, tough, aggressive guy who was lacking a bit in compassion & understanding.

I think it's a phase quite a few young guys go through. Kinda' the 'being young and needing nobody' thing. I also broke a few hearts then too, for not much more reason than I needed nobody and didn't want to make any sacrifices in my life.

Of course sooner or later you get a wife and some kids, and then things like healthcare and educational assistance mean a little more then when you were twenty and running the streets.

Actually though, my brief active time spent with the Libertarians came to an end due to their being far too disorganized and unprofessional in comparison to my previous work on the streets for the Democratic Party. They were very cerebral and conceptual, and I then was all about the nuts and bolts of carrying-out the pragmatic process that starts with getting a walk-sheet, and ends with me greeting that person at the polling place so they could pull the lever. I was used to a well oiled organization machine from the streets up, and back then in my city they (Libertarians) didn't really have *any* organization! So I went back to the Dems to keep busy and be hooked-in with my neighborhood.

Brewdog said:

The least hypocritical of political ideologies is libertarianism.

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Not at all. I think it is highly hypocritical actually. Particularly the 'free market economy' libertarians

Brewdog said:

That's one thing I loved about Ron Paul. John Stewart said on his show that he'd received a lot of emails last election as to why he didn't ever make fun of Ron Paul. John Stewart said, we make our living showing inconsistencies with the candidates and Ron Paul has always been consistent.

Like them or not, the libertarians are honest. When Gary Johnson effed up on Aleppo, he went on air the next day and say he should have known better and would try harder. The other two parties won't do that. They're rotten and dishonest.

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I think I'm with you on this, particularly the honesty.

I had a brief formal relationship with them quite a few years back, when I was into organizing. The trouble was, they weren't organized at all!

But they struck me as sincere, and respectful of individuals. But they were so laid-back, nothing got done! It was kinda' hippie-like. It felt good, but I knew it would never work (then, in my city).

CriticalThought said:

I truly love Donald Trump. I would never vote for him but I love him. He has done some spectacular things this election for which I will always be grateful. My favorite to date is what he has done with the Religous Right.

Set the scene...Trump is endorsed by Evangelical leaders. Nevermind he struggles with faith questions and his favorite Bible verse is "an eye for an eye". Nevermind he refers to "Second Corinthians" as "Two Corinthians". Nevermind he is twice divorced and an admitted adulterer. Nevermind he has allegedly stolen money from his own charitable foundation.

They endorsed him enmass and then the video comes out and he brags about sexually assaulting women.

And the best part...most of the Religous Right stick with him.

Clinton by contrast has stuck to her marriage despite her husband's infidelity and has had behavior consistent with her professed Methodist beliefs for decades and the right paint her as a Godless, Marxist harlot.

This is beautiful because the Religous Right are the modern day Pharisees. They are the hypocrites. They chose Donald Trump as the harbinger of "family values". That will follow them forever.

I love Donald Trump because he exposed the Religous Right for what they are...an anti abortion and anti gay movement. Those are the only things they really care about and they will vote for ANYONE as long as they are aligned with them on abortion and gays.

I know there are exceptions, and I respect their principles, but the movement has been made into a laughing stock by one man. My own orange hero. The Donald. The guy who could say or do anything at this point and still have the support of the "traditional values" coalition. There has to be a God.

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I don't agree with your analysis.

What you have to understand is that a lot of conservatives, especially those on the religious right actually believe all the conspiracy theories about Clinton. Pretend for a moment that you bought into all the garbage that Fox news and the right wing media has been spewing. If you believed all of that, then your view of Hillary Clinton would include all of the following:

1. She ignored pleas for help in Benghazi, gave a stand down order, and let people die then covered it up to protect the administration.
2. She stole the election from Bernie Sanders
3. She has had several people murdered to protect her secrets
4. She mocked a victim of child sexual abuse after helping set her rapist free
5. She used her position as Secretary of State to enrich herself by selling access and laundering that money through the Clinton Foundation
6. She set up a private e-mail server in order to hide e-mail from FOIA requests
7. She destroyed evidence by deleting those e-mails once the server was discovered
8. She has a serious health condition, possibly even alzheimer's

There's probably a few more I'm forgetting, but those 8 claims are actually fairly mainstream claims within the conservative movement. Now, let's ignore for a moment the fact that most, if not all, of these claims are ridiculous. Let's pretend that, given the kind of media we consume, we have come to believe all of those claims. Let's put ourselves in that reality for a moment. If you lived in a world where all of those statements are true of one of the political candidates, and the other candidate is Donald Trump...wouldn't it make sense to consider voting for him? I mean, sure, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, it's not a decision you are happy to be making. But Trump may actually look more appealing than Hillary Clinton if we lived in the bizarro world where all of the above claims are true.

A few more claims that conservatives widely believe:
1. Muslims want to destroy America and Democrats want to help them do that
2. Democrats want to take away your guns
3. Democrats want to force churches to marry gay people
4. Democrats want to keep people addicted to the government so they can keep controlling them
5. The ultimate goal of Democrats is to bring Marxism to America

Put your right wing nutjob hat on for a moment and Trump starts looking like the lesser of two evils.

The religious right did not choose Trump as the harbinger of family values. The religious right chose: Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio. But their candidates lost and they got stuck with Trump. Now they see him as the lesser evil. You might be tempted to see him as the lesser evil too if you believed all the crazy things Republicans believe these days.


Thus, it's not that the religious right are hypocrites or are obsessed with only abortion and homosexuality. It's that in the bizarro world they live in, Hillary Clinton is evil and Trump is just an idiot; they would rather for the idiot than the evil person.

iguanaman said:

It is also the most self-centered and not in a good way. A society is not just your family.

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Point to me in our Constitution where society has protected liberties. The Constitution protects the liberties of individuals. And I don't care if libertarianism is self-serving or not. I DO care about ME. I don't care about someone's healthcare across town or over in Asia. And I don't want my money taken from me to pay for other people.

As long as society doesn't infringe upon my life or freedoms, then I won't do anything to infringe upon anyone else. I don't need your Hillary "Village". I can do fine on my own if you'll just stop stealing my money.

Chomsky said:

I think I'm with you on this, particularly the honesty.

I had a brief formal relationship with them quite a few years back, when I was into organizing. The trouble was, they weren't organized at all!

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This hits the nail on the head. Trying to get libertarians together on anything is like herding cats. We can agree on 95% of issues, but then argue vehemently with one another about the minutia.

Libertarians like individualism. We don't like groups. We tend to not even be part of groups. As a hard-core libertarian, I'm not a Libertarian Party member. Because that's a group, and I'm not beholden to groups. That's why I say I'm a "libertarian" and not a "Libertarian."

The Dems and Repubs will stick with their party even though they disagree. Libertarians will feud nonstop over the piddliest of things. We're strongheaded individualists, and that's our downfall in politics.

For example, a lot of libertarians won't support Gary Johnson because he's not a "true libertarian". He's not Ron Paul and no one ever will be again I don't think. But he's light years more on the side of smaller government and individual freedom than the R's or the D's. We always implode from within our own ranks.

coldjoint said:

So they don't care about national security, the economy, the education system or immigration? .

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Not that I can tell. The RR in general seem to base their voting decisions on issues like "Abortion" and "Gay Marriage".

If they were basing their voting on things like economy, deficit, foreign policy(national security) and education they sure as heck would not be voting GOP. (or Dem for that matter)

Hillary, Cardinal Dolan and the Donald during prayer at the Al Smith dinner

We have a joke of a political system. Two parties. And at best there might occasionally be a glimmer of a third.
But the way competitive systems works, its stacked against a third, and two can ally to defeat a third, its in both their best interest.

We should have 5+ parties IMO, and it should not be winner take all.

At least figure it out on paper you know:

social (big or small government)
fiscal (big or small government)
other (green, labor, etc.)

I mean, we could probably come up with 7 (being that some would be moderate, some would be the edges, etc.)

Obviously when 40+% people vote for Trump, that's a signal that this **** is ****ed up. We all know it, yet we continue with the charade.

coldjoint said:

So they don't care about national security, the economy, the education system or immigration? Give me a break. It is more like the only the left cares about is imposing their values(if you want to call them that) on everyone else. You should tell it like it is.

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From my perch, it appears that it's the religious right that wants to impose their values on everyone else. I can't imagine why you would think otherwise.

Captain America said:

From my perch, it appears that it's the religious right that wants to impose their values on everyone else. I can't imagine why you would think otherwise.

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and they don't like witches

Yes, The Religious Right warns Americans Witchcraft could decide this election - at least according to 'Dr' Lance Wallnau, who appeared on the Jim Bakker show to warn real Christians about the evil that is witchcraft and the ways in which it is perverting the electoral system in an effort to stop the election of God's Chosen One

The web literally is coming down on America. And what’s sad is, how many Christians feel this fog on their head at times? Do you feel that? It’s almost like everything’s going wrong. We don’t realize it’s a remnant operating strategically through organizations that are intent on shifting the American culture and discipling the country. And that fog that’s on Christians is the collective witchcraft that comes over the Body of Christ because there’s spirits being authorized to be released.

Wherever there’s agreement, there’s power. The more unbelievers agree with the narrative that they’re hearing, the more power and authorization Satan has to manifest. So unless the church has an exposure of what the enemy’s doing and begins to agree together with a counter-strategy, we’re going to deal with more and more fog. And the worst part is—we don’t have to surrender nations to the devil.

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Wallnau is a "Seven Mountains" Dominionist as is Rafael Cruz, Ted's dad. The Dominionists have their own version of American history which along with a rather strange view of Biblical teachings leads them to promote the idea of a future America controlled by Christians - well, Christians who agree with them anyway.

Somerville said:

and they don't like witches

Yes, The Religious Right warns Americans Witchcraft could decide this election - at least according to 'Dr' Lance Wallnau, who appeared on the Jim Bakker show to warn real Christians about the evil that is witchcraft and the ways in which it is perverting the electoral system in an effort to stop the election of God's Chosen One


Wallnau is a "Seven Mountains" Dominionist as is Rafael Cruz, Ted's dad. The Dominionists have their own version of American history which along with a rather strange view of Biblical teachings leads them to promote the idea of a future America controlled by Christians - well, Christians who agree with them anyway.

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I thought the "God hates fags .. and we should round them up and exterminate them" convention ... attended by Cruz and to other Presidential nominees was about loony as it gets.

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