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Creationism is easily disproved by mans current state of evolution

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The creationists believe the man was created in gods image. If that were true, then god could not be a god. The fact is that man in his current state of evolution is only half way evolved from the animal he evolved from. Mans brain is still only half evolved and struggles between its reptilian half, and its cognitive half.

The reptilian half can only function psychopathically and drives greed, materialism, and rationalization of all immoral acts of the person. The cognitive half can actually conceive of morals, logic, and higher conscience, but in most cases cannot override the reptilian brain which dominates our thoughts and actions the majority of the time.

If we could evolve beyond the reptilian brain, we could eliminate things like war, poverty, and crime. If we could evolve we could indeed be fully human. But we will probably never reach that point because our reptilian brains will cause us to destroy ourselves in our quest for domination over our fellow humans. Our ability to develop technology will be our downfall as it will allow the reptile within us to do what our cognitive minds know is sheer suicide, but are not powerful enough to prevent.
 
That solves it, well done! :roll:
 
jdog said:
The creationists believe the man was created in gods image. If that were true, then god could not be a god. The fact is that man in his current state of evolution is only half way evolved from the animal he evolved from. Mans brain is still only half evolved and struggles between its reptilian half, and its cognitive half.
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while I do not believe I am "created in gods image, rather I believe I am very much a part of god" it is not logical to say we are Half way evolved from an animal...we are fully animal

and from your perspective here it sounds like you are saying we are supposed to be better than animals...we are not better than

we are just different

The reptilian half can only function psychopathically and drives greed, materialism, and rationalization of all immoral acts of the person. The cognitive half can actually conceive of morals, logic, and higher conscience, but in most cases cannot override the reptilian brain which dominates our thoughts and actions the majority of the time.

If we could evolve beyond the reptilian brain, we could eliminate things like war, poverty, and crime. If we could evolve we could indeed be fully human. But we will probably never reach that point because our reptilian brains will cause us to destroy ourselves in our quest for domination over our fellow humans. Our ability to develop technology will be our downfall as it will allow the reptile within us to do what our cognitive minds know is sheer suicide, but are not powerful enough to prevent.
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the reptilian brain is about survival...nothing more, nothing less

not good, not bad

it just is
 
jdog said:
The creationists believe the man was created in gods image. If that were true, then god could not be a god. The fact is that man in his current state of evolution is only half way evolved from the animal he evolved from. Mans brain is still only half evolved and struggles between its reptilian half, and its cognitive half.

The reptilian half can only function psychopathically and drives greed, materialism, and rationalization of all immoral acts of the person. The cognitive half can actually conceive of morals, logic, and higher conscience, but in most cases cannot override the reptilian brain which dominates our thoughts and actions the majority of the time.

If we could evolve beyond the reptilian brain, we could eliminate things like war, poverty, and crime. If we could evolve we could indeed be fully human. But we will probably never reach that point because our reptilian brains will cause us to destroy ourselves in our quest for domination over our fellow humans. Our ability to develop technology will be our downfall as it will allow the reptile within us to do what our cognitive minds know is sheer suicide, but are not powerful enough to prevent.
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Couple of logical holes going on here. The first thing being that we only have a vague statement of being made in God's image. But how so? Somehow I doubt you are going to get creationists to admit to there being both a male and female deity, so it is obvious from that point that we are not made in any kind of exact physical image of God's. So precisely what image is that then? A good question and not one easily answered by any known documentation.

Then we have your claim of only halfway evolved. To note a halfway point, one must know the end point. Maybe we are only 1/4 or even 2/45 way through our evolution. This is ignoring the concept that literal creationists have of man being fully formed and not going through any evolution. However, it is to be noted that there are creationists, who hold that evolution is the tool by which God continually improves His creations. But how far will we evolve? Maybe we can reach Godhood ourselves some day. For that matter maybe we are God, humanity having evolved to an gestalt mind energy being that creates itself via life the universe and everything.

I think you had a great logic connection to realize that our reptilian brain might well be more negative than positive right now, but as an argument against creationism, particularly the whole, "in God's image" bit, it's holier than the Pope.
 
jdog said:
The creationists believe the man was created in gods image. If that were true, then god could not be a god. The fact is that man in his current state of evolution is only half way evolved from the animal he evolved from. Mans brain is still only half evolved and struggles between its reptilian half, and its cognitive half.

The reptilian half can only function psychopathically and drives greed, materialism, and rationalization of all immoral acts of the person. The cognitive half can actually conceive of morals, logic, and higher conscience, but in most cases cannot override the reptilian brain which dominates our thoughts and actions the majority of the time.

If we could evolve beyond the reptilian brain, we could eliminate things like war, poverty, and crime. If we could evolve we could indeed be fully human. But we will probably never reach that point because our reptilian brains will cause us to destroy ourselves in our quest for domination over our fellow humans. Our ability to develop technology will be our downfall as it will allow the reptile within us to do what our cognitive minds know is sheer suicide, but are not powerful enough to prevent.
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Faith is a difficult concept for some to understand.

On the other hand, evolutionists don't believe in evolution either.

It's quite to quandary.
 
_Sal said:
while I do not believe I am "created in gods image, rather I believe I am very much a part of god" it is not logical to say we are Half way evolved from an animal...we are fully animal

and from your perspective here it sounds like you are saying we are supposed to be better than animals...we are not better than

we are just different
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It sounds like you are more pantheistic than creationist Christian, and it is you who are equating higher evolved with better.

the reptilian brain is about survival...nothing more, nothing less

not good, not bad

it just is.

That is true in animals because animals cannot conceive of concepts which morality are based upon. Animals kill for survival, not for wealth or ambition. The reptilian mind serves animals well because animals only are concerned with what they need at that moment. They cannot conceive of tomorrow, or the future, they simply follow their instinct's at the moment.

When a mind begins to evolve and to be able to conceive of abstract concepts then the animal instincts are often in contrast with logical and rational thought.
 
ocean515 said:
Faith is a difficult concept for some to understand.

On the other hand, evolutionists don't believe in evolution either.

It's quite to quandary.
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Evolution is a fact, it does not require any kind of faith, only understanding of the mechanics.
 
jdog said:
It sounds like you are more pantheistic than creationist Christian, and it is you who are equating higher evolved with better.
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it is true that I am neither a Christian, nor a creationist and yes likely more pantheistic


That is true in animals because animals cannot conceive of concepts which morality are based upon. Animals kill for survival, not for wealth or ambition. The reptilian mind serves animals well because animals only are concerned with what they need at that moment. They cannot conceive of tomorrow, or the future, they simply follow their instinct's at the moment.
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actually we do not know that as their ability is measured solely by our ability to do so

no one should have much "faith" in that ;)

When a mind begins to evolve and to be able to conceive of abstract concepts then the animal instincts are often in contrast with logical and rational thought.
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I would not say it has much to do with evolution per se but rather the situation one lives in...third world survival is very different from first world survival yet we are all equally evolved
 
_Sal said:
actually we do not know that as their ability is measured solely by our ability to do so

no one should have much "faith" in that ;)
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We do know that animals do not exhibit any behavior which would suggest greed, which would indicate that they do not conceive of hoarding for the future.
I would not say it has much to do with evolution per se but rather the situation one lives in...third world survival is very different from first world survival yet we are all equally evolved
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Not really, the mechanism of survival is pretty much the same where ever I have traveled, the big difference is simply the ability to prepare for the future.
 
jdog said:
The creationists believe the man was created in gods image. If that were true, then god could not be a god. The fact is that man in his current state of evolution is only half way evolved from the animal he evolved from. Mans brain is still only half evolved and struggles between its reptilian half, and its cognitive half.

The reptilian half can only function psychopathically and drives greed, materialism, and rationalization of all immoral acts of the person. The cognitive half can actually conceive of morals, logic, and higher conscience, but in most cases cannot override the reptilian brain which dominates our thoughts and actions the majority of the time.

If we could evolve beyond the reptilian brain, we could eliminate things like war, poverty, and crime. If we could evolve we could indeed be fully human. But we will probably never reach that point because our reptilian brains will cause us to destroy ourselves in our quest for domination over our fellow humans. Our ability to develop technology will be our downfall as it will allow the reptile within us to do what our cognitive minds know is sheer suicide, but are not powerful enough to prevent.
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Please identify man's immediate, direct-line ancestor, and provide the conclusive DNA evidence to back up your answer. I need the name of a specific hominid as your answer.

Second, you do understand that the universe had a beginning, and it can't be the universe that 'caused' itself. Right?
 
jdog said:
We do know that animals do not exhibit any behavior which would suggest greed, which would indicate that they do not conceive of hoarding for the future.

Not really, the mechanism of survival is pretty much the same where ever I have traveled, the big difference is simply the ability to prepare for the future.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoarding_(animal_behavior)

http://www.jakegoheen.com/reprints/hoarding_cjz.pdf

https://www.jstor.org/stable/50106

Food-hoarding behavior of gray squirrels and North American red squirrels in the central hardwoods region: implications for forest regeneration
 
jdog said:
The creationists believe the man was created in gods image. If that were true, then god could not be a god. The fact is that man in his current state of evolution is only half way evolved from the animal he evolved from. Mans brain is still only half evolved and struggles between its reptilian half, and its cognitive half.

The reptilian half can only function psychopathically and drives greed, materialism, and rationalization of all immoral acts of the person. The cognitive half can actually conceive of morals, logic, and higher conscience, but in most cases cannot override the reptilian brain which dominates our thoughts and actions the majority of the time.

If we could evolve beyond the reptilian brain, we could eliminate things like war, poverty, and crime. If we could evolve we could indeed be fully human. But we will probably never reach that point because our reptilian brains will cause us to destroy ourselves in our quest for domination over our fellow humans. Our ability to develop technology will be our downfall as it will allow the reptile within us to do what our cognitive minds know is sheer suicide, but are not powerful enough to prevent.
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I normally stay away from these discussions, I'm not myself religious, but.. just because something is made to look like something else .. did it say it was made to act like something else also? I don't recall ever hearing that my parents would make me go to church as a kid... in fact I recall religious teachings saying free will.
 
jdog said:
Not really, the mechanism of survival is pretty much the same where ever I have traveled, the big difference is simply the ability to prepare for the future.
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that is impossible...third world countries are just trying to get through today....preparing for the future isn't even a blip on their horizon

Struggling to Survive!
 
joG said:
As the article notes and thank you for linking it "The universe may have existed forever". I wonder, what was there before forever. Maybe just a word of creation whispered into the hollow void of nothingness? ;)
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Good question. The conditions that allowed for a quantum expansion was there. At this point, it is a mathematical model based on what we do know about cosmology and quantum mechanics.. there is a long way to go before it can be tested. It does appear to clear up some of the mathematics that lead to infinities, which scientists hate.

But, it's real math, real theoretical physics, and part of the scientific process.
 
Logicman said:
Please identify man's immediate, direct-line ancestor, and provide the conclusive DNA evidence to back up your answer. I need the name of a specific hominid as your answer.

Second, you do understand that the universe had a beginning, and it can't be the universe that 'caused' itself. Right?
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If you need a class in evolution, then take one. It is not my obligation to educate you. Your second argument is an obvious logical fallacy. The universe is as likely to have created itself, as god was to have created himself.
 
_Sal said:
that is impossible...third world countries are just trying to get through today....preparing for the future isn't even a blip on their horizon

Struggling to Survive!
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What are you a simpleton? Do you really think everyone in third world countries are impoverished? Obviously you have never been outside your comfort zone.
 
RAMOSS said:
Good question. The conditions that allowed for a quantum expansion was there. At this point, it is a mathematical model based on what we do know about cosmology and quantum mechanics.. there is a long way to go before it can be tested. It does appear to clear up some of the mathematics that lead to infinities, which scientists hate.

But, it's real math, real theoretical physics, and part of the scientific process.
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Yep. Infinities are relatively messy when measuring the length of time and space. But you are right, it seems the model makes physicists happier than they were.
 
ocean515 said:
Faith is a difficult concept for some to understand.

On the other hand, evolutionists don't believe in evolution either.

It's quite to quandary.
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Evolutionists don't have to "believe" in evolution because there's mountains of cold hard evidence to back it up. You chocking everything up to "faith" is just a way to shut out anything critical of your world view. It is patently false and ridiculous to believe that the earth is 6,000 years old and every human and animal on earth was created in its current state and no further change has occurred.
 
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