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Sam Harris

He is an interesting guy. I listen to his podcast when I drive and this one #5 in the series "Ask Me Anything" #5 has some compelling insights. His views on Islam and what is fundamentally wrong I do agree with.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/ask-me-anything-5

It's quite sad that some view Sam Harris as a "racist" (which makes no sense) because of his views on Islam, views of which I tend to agree with.
 
It's quite sad that some view Sam Harris as a "racist" (which makes no sense) because of his views on Islam, views of which I tend to agree with.

Yea. He's a very well thought out guy. They also call him racist because he supports profiling and argues that police shootings aren't actually indicative of racist officers or racist actions.

I love listening to his podcast, but he's even better on Joe Rogans podcast. Joe Rogan makes him talk about interesting ****.
 
There is no doubt of his intelligence and insight. His views rattle a lot of cages. But the reasons people are rattled do not hold up against his arguments, especially Islam and the concentric circles of that religion/ideology and its adherents he explains so well.
 
It's quite sad that some view Sam Harris as a "racist" (which makes no sense) because of his views on Islam, views of which I tend to agree with.

Yep. Like Ben Affleck calling him "gross" for citing actual pew poll results. :lol:

Supposedly there is an upcoming episode of We the People Live with Joe Rogan, Hannibal Burress, and Sam Harris that gets very heated between Hannibal and Sam over race and BLM.
 
It's quite sad that some view Sam Harris as a "racist" (which makes no sense) because of his views on Islam, views of which I tend to agree with.

I agree. There is nothing racist about Sam Harris. I like his pod casts. He is not afraid to say what many of arel thinking.he is not racist … he is logical and fair. He speaks the truth.
 
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Yep. Like Ben Affleck calling him "gross" for citing actual pew poll results. :lol:

Supposedly there is an upcoming episode of We the People Live with Joe Rogan, Hannibal Burress, and Sam Harris that gets very heated between Hannibal and Sam over race and BLM.

It's already out. It was quite a show. It seems as though the entire complication was due to Hannibal being drunk off his balls.
 
Yep. Like Ben Affleck calling him "gross" for citing actual pew poll results. :lol:

Yeah, Ben Affleck was downright cringeworthy during that entire exchange.

Supposedly there is an upcoming episode of We the People Live with Joe Rogan, Hannibal Burress, and Sam Harris that gets very heated between Hannibal and Sam over race and BLM.

Apparently it's already been released.
 
You know, I don't really have any particularly firm opinion about Sam Harris. Last thing of his I can remember looking at was something about chimneys roughly 4 years ago. :lol:

But can I just say that it sure looks odd when his supporters feel a need to deny that he is racist in literally every post they make about him, even though no one here ever said he was racist? Like, who are you talking to?

When the first thing you think of when you think of a dude you like is racism, it makes me wonder if thou doth protest too much.
 
You know, I don't really have any particularly firm opinion about Sam Harris. Last thing of his I can remember looking at was something about chimneys roughly 4 years ago. :lol:

But can I just say that it sure looks odd when his supporters feel a need to deny that he is racist in literally every post they make about him, even though no one here ever said he was racist? Like, who are you talking to?

When the first thing you think of when you think of a dude you like is racism, it makes me wonder if thou doth protest too much.

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Decide for yourself, if you're so inclined. This exchange - or a soundbite of it - is what colors most people's limited opinion of Sam Harris.

 
I agree with his views on free will.
 
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Decide for yourself, if you're so inclined. This exchange - or a soundbite of it - is what colors most people's limited opinion of Sam Harris.



Bill Maher should have just kept his mouth shut and let Harris make his points because he was doing a much better job at it than Bill. Likewise Ben should have just yielded to the two men to his left. Take Ben and Bill out of that discussion and it would have been a damn good one.
 
Bill Maher should have just kept his mouth shut and let Harris make his points because he was doing a much better job at it than Bill. Likewise Ben should have just yielded to the two men to his left. Take Ben and Bill out of that discussion and it would have been a damn good one.

Agreed. This is the upside of Sam's podcast. He has the kind of conversations with his guests you wanted here. Without the talking over and past. It's so polite and well-mannered almost to the point of being boring, though. :)
 
Agreed. This is the upside of Sam's podcast. He has the kind of conversations with his guests you wanted here. Without the talking over and past. It's so polite and well-mannered almost to the point of being boring, though. :)

I'll have to check it out. I don't agree with him on everything but I like the way he explains his positions.
 
It's quite sad that some view Sam Harris as a "racist" (which makes no sense) because of his views on Islam, views of which I tend to agree with.

He's an interesting speaker and I definitely wouldn't call his views on Islam racist, but I would call his worldview rather badly laid out. He pretty much is psychologically incapable of acknowledging the US' role in creating terrorism by funding Saudi Arabia, or the role that imperialism has played over all in helping aid terrorism. Instead he tows the establishment party line and says, "Right, but we have good intentions, so it's all okay!"

He's not wrong that Islamic doctrine is bad (There's a reason I'm an atheist --I reject absolutely all of it), but you can't then pretend like the US had nothing to do with making Salafism the accepted interpretation of Islam, all while denouncing Islam and saying that all terrorism is caused by Islam. When you stop including enough information, it starts to become misinformation. That's like paying children with candy to kick old people in the knees, and then turning around an complaining about how all young people are violent. And you can't pretend like international Islamic terrorism was a problem prior to US imperialism and our involvement and promotion of it during the Cold War --because while there was a lot of discrimination and violence. You can't pretend like Moghul India wasn't religiously tolerant, or several other majority Muslim states weren't also religiously tolerant.

He also seems incapable of accepting that the things that he says inflames religious tensions, and that in a world where 40% of Americans think that banning Muslims from entering the country is a good thing, that's pretty ****ing socially irresponsible.

Anyways, I am not a huge fan of Harris anymore. I've never found him to be as insightful or as enlightened as Christopher Hitchens (who I still have a number of problems with, namely his absurd neoconservative foreign policy), or Dawkins, or Dennett. Truth be told, I think that Dennett is the most reasonable and insightful of the whole lot. I also like Massimo Pigliucci, even though I always role my eyes when he starts talking about physics.
 
Bill Maher should have just kept his mouth shut and let Harris make his points because he was doing a much better job at it than Bill. Likewise Ben should have just yielded to the two men to his left. Take Ben and Bill out of that discussion and it would have been a damn good one.

Yeah, this pretty well covers this interview. Affleck was such a bad and irrational actor here that he upstaged anyone else's attempt to argue on his side (In this case, literally his side of the table). That being said, the guy on the far left, Kristof, pretty much sounds like he was probably the most correct person at the table.
 
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Decide for yourself, if you're so inclined. This exchange - or a soundbite of it - is what colors most people's limited opinion of Sam Harris.



The obvious problem was that one side of the table was not talking about the same thing as the other side of the table. They were just talking past each other. Sam Harris did try to remedy that situation, but no one listened.

Muslims are people that believe in a bad religion. Like it or not the majority of Muslims believe in certain things that are bad. And they believe in those bad things because of their religion, meaning that they condone those bad things and promote those bad things. That doesnt at all mean that all Muslims are bad people.
 
The obvious problem was that one side of the table was not talking about the same thing as the other side of the table. They were just talking past each other. Sam Harris did try to remedy that situation, but no one listened.

Muslims are people that believe in a bad religion. Like it or not the majority of Muslims believe in certain things that are bad. And they believe in those bad things because of their religion, meaning that they condone those bad things and promote those bad things. That doesnt at all mean that all Muslims are bad people.

I totally agree with this assessment.
 
It's quite sad that some view Sam Harris as a "racist" (which makes no sense) because of his views on Islam, views of which I tend to agree with.

I listened to a podcast of his which was downright rational about his opposition to the Black Lives Matter movement. He managed to split the hairs, pointing out that we cannot fault the cops for being wary when patrolling high crime areas while simultaneously arguing that being Black can include being wary of cops, for good reason. No pun, but it's not a black and white issue. He did a good job of painting it gray.
 
You know, I don't really have any particularly firm opinion about Sam Harris. Last thing of his I can remember looking at was something about chimneys roughly 4 years ago. :lol:

But can I just say that it sure looks odd when his supporters feel a need to deny that he is racist in literally every post they make about him, even though no one here ever said he was racist? Like, who are you talking to?

When the first thing you think of when you think of a dude you like is racism, it makes me wonder if thou doth protest too much.

He delves in to tricky topics. And after the video that was linked to earlier in this thread, he's had numerous sources like Salon go after him very hard for being racist. So it's something that gets brought up.
 
People also tend to be very selective with what they like about Harris. The same people who adore his tracts and commentaries on Islam would never be caught dead nodding their heads to his books or talks on determinism.
 
People also tend to be very selective with what they like about Harris. The same people who adore his tracts and commentaries on Islam would never be caught dead nodding their heads to his books or talks on determinism.

Some of his best work is on the "illusion of free will." I don't know if I buy into it...at least not all of it. But, I certainly find his arguments convincing.

My theory on "free will" is similar to Harris, but I do not see it as pure determinism. I see the universe as more random, based on probabilities. So, our free will is simply a conglomeration of those probabilities. Our choices aren't really free...but rather more like selecting from a menu of options, with some options simply being more attractive than others. But, what drives those choices is often far from conscious decision making.
 
Been following his work since Letter to a Christian Nation. Gotta love Sam.
 
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