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blackjack50

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Don't be a jerk. Do unto others. Karma. Whatever you wanna call it, life is way easier when you treat others right. This is something I have been observing recently. And it has become the case more often than not. People who are rude inconsiderate jerks always seem surprised when they are treated as such. They wonder why people don't work harder to help them when they were screaming at that person who has as much control on the situation as them.

Do you feel this is a good rule and frequently the case?


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blackjack50 said:
Don't be a jerk. Do unto others. Karma. Whatever you wanna call it, life is way easier when you treat others right. This is something I have been observing recently. And it has become the case more often than not. People who are rude inconsiderate jerks always seem surprised when they are treated as such. They wonder why people don't work harder to help them when they were screaming at that person who has as much control on the situation as them.

Do you feel this is a good rule and frequently the case?


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There are several other forms that this sentiment takes, most notably, the golden rule (do onto others as you would have them do onto you) and Kant's first formulation of the categorical imperative (act only in ways that you would want made into universal laws). I suppose i simply think of it as reciprocal consideration.

I think that all of humanities inner conflicts come from two sources : greed and misunderstanding.

Greed, of course, is obvious- greed is the renunciation of reciprocity, fairness, and/or uniformity.

Misunderstanding i view as the general failure to provide for the complexity of another persons view. We don't always give other people the benefit of the doubt. This is why i think the presumption of innocence is such a powerful concept.

In any case, i think people should try to be more understanding, more aware that they are simply one cog in this absolutely massive and complex machine. I absolutely agree that life is far easier without bearing the burden that a presumption of guilt, from a negative attitude, presents.
 
Absentglare said:
There are several other forms that this sentiment takes, most notably, the golden rule (do onto others as you would have them do onto you) and Kant's first formulation of the categorical imperative (act only in ways that you would want made into universal laws). I suppose i simply think of it as reciprocal consideration.

I think that all of humanities inner conflicts come from two sources : greed and misunderstanding.

Greed, of course, is obvious- greed is the renunciation of reciprocity, fairness, and/or uniformity.

Misunderstanding i view as the general failure to provide for the complexity of another persons view. We don't always give other people the benefit of the doubt. This is why i think the presumption of innocence is such a powerful concept.

In any case, i think people should try to be more understanding, more aware that they are simply one cog in this absolutely massive and complex machine. I absolutely agree that life is far easier without bearing the burden that a presumption of guilt, from a negative attitude, presents.
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wonderful

answer me this one little question

how much is too much?

when a man or a woman goes into business and make it big....some on this site would call them greedy

should they close down their shop and stop making money at some point?

should Steve Jobs have stopped making apple phones, and ipads, and mac's?

what turns a person from successful into greedy?
 
gdgyva said:
wonderful

answer me this one little question

how much is too much?

when a man or a woman goes into business and make it big....some on this site would call them greedy

should they close down their shop and stop making money at some point?

should Steve Jobs have stopped making apple phones, and ipads, and mac's?

what turns a person from successful into greedy?
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Give me a teeny 30 million and I am set for life and wouldn't ask another penny ;)


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gdgyva said:
wonderful

answer me this one little question

how much is too much?

when a man or a woman goes into business and make it big....some on this site would call them greedy

should they close down their shop and stop making money at some point?

should Steve Jobs have stopped making apple phones, and ipads, and mac's?

what turns a person from successful into greedy?
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That's a really good question; i cannot answer it.

I think we all have our own view, and we tend to be the narrator of our own story, meaning that we emphasize our own struggles and contributions. And that makes sense, we're aware of our own entire lifetime worth of experience, but we necessarily have less data on other people's experiences. That means there are some blanks to fill in, and people tend to fill in the blanks in their own favor.
 
gdgyva said:
wonderful

answer me this one little question

how much is too much?

when a man or a woman goes into business and make it big....some on this site would call them greedy

should they close down their shop and stop making money at some point?

should Steve Jobs have stopped making apple phones, and ipads, and mac's?

what turns a person from successful into greedy?
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'Too much' indicates someone who has created an extraordinary surplus of wealth from exploitation of other people's labour. Someone who has amassed that kind of wealth has not shared it with the people that helped create it. The extravagant displays of so called altruism from people that have amassed this kind of wealth are vanity projects to try to mitigate their exploitation.
 
blackjack50 said:
Give me a teeny 30 million and I am set for life and wouldn't ask another penny ;)


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you are a rare bird

even bill gates and warren buffett want more

what put things into perspective for me was being told by an older accomplished fellow that he had never read a tombstone epitaph - or heard of anyone's last words - to the effect of "i wish i had made another dollar"
 
I think we all have different views of how we would like to be treated, so I tend to follow a modified version of the treat others as you would like to be treated.

Personally, I follow treat others as they would like to be treated, up until the point that it remains within your values or moral code.
 
blackjack50 said:
Don't be a jerk. Do unto others. Karma. Whatever you wanna call it, life is way easier when you treat others right. This is something I have been observing recently. And it has become the case more often than not. People who are rude inconsiderate jerks always seem surprised when they are treated as such. They wonder why people don't work harder to help them when they were screaming at that person who has as much control on the situation as them.

Do you feel this is a good rule and frequently the case?


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Or at those down the ladder. These are the people that make things work. Find mistakes, bring solutions.
 
William Rea said:
'Too much' indicates someone who has created an extraordinary surplus of wealth from exploitation of other people's labour. Someone who has amassed that kind of wealth has not shared it with the people that helped create it. The extravagant displays of so called altruism from people that have amassed this kind of wealth are vanity projects to try to mitigate their exploitation.
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Spoken like a true communist. You say exploitation, I say creation of employment. I was "exploited" by major oil companies for 34 years, and all I had to show for it was enough money to raise my family without accepting a penny of tax payer assistance. Now that I'm retired, the only thing the bastards left me with was a life-long pension and lifetime medical insurance, including travel insurance. But, don't worry about me. I'm soldiering through the hardships imposed upon me by those blood-sucking leeches.
 
stevecanuck said:
Spoken like a true communist. You say exploitation, I say creation of employment. I was "exploited" by major oil companies for 34 years, and all I had to show for it was enough money to raise my family without accepting a penny of tax payer assistance. Now that I'm retired, the only thing the bastards left me with was a life-long pension and lifetime medical insurance, including travel insurance. But, don't worry about me. I'm soldiering through the hardships imposed upon me by those blood-sucking leeches.
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You may be well compensated. That doesn't mean others are. Even in your own company. And I'm a staunch republican. Big companies have a tendency to overlook the little guys. The ones who may not be well compensated for their labor. And then they wonder why they have a higher turnover rate in one department. They don't realize their employees only sign up for work experience to take elsewhere. It happens in my office. Well...it has finally reduced now that they are giving pay raises and more time off.

I have a general distrust of large corporations. They remind me too much of big government. ;)


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blackjack50 said:
Don't be a jerk. Do unto others. Karma. Whatever you wanna call it, life is way easier when you treat others right. This is something I have been observing recently. And it has become the case more often than not. People who are rude inconsiderate jerks always seem surprised when they are treated as such. They wonder why people don't work harder to help them when they were screaming at that person who has as much control on the situation as them.

Do you feel this is a good rule and frequently the case?


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You're starting to catch on.
 
jet57 said:
You're starting to catch on.
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I've always known. I'm a very pleasant guy. In fact. I just got someone recognized for their outstanding customer service at Walmart. Not a joke. This poor girl maintained her cool with this stupid ass woman screaming at her about not taking her even though the line was closed. Friggin victim mentality. It actually triggered this thread. Cause the woman ended up taking longer to get out of the store.


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blackjack50 said:
I've always known. I'm a very pleasant guy. In fact. I just got someone recognized for their outstanding customer service at Walmart. Not a joke. This poor girl maintained her cool with this stupid ass woman screaming at her about not taking her even though the line was closed. Friggin victim mentality. It actually triggered this thread. Cause the woman ended up taking longer to get out of the store.


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Far to many treat those that work in places like WM and others as dirt, beneath them in some way. I was taught at a young age, respect anyone who makes a living earning an honest dollar.
I have encountered those as well, on occasion I butt right in and say a few words, calming but to the point.
 
JANFU said:
Far to many treat those that work in places like WM and others as dirt, beneath them in some way. I was taught at a young age, respect anyone who makes a living earning an honest dollar.
I have encountered those as well, on occasion I butt right in and say a few words, calming but to the point.
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I can't really butt in unless I'm by myself. Girlfriend is afraid of confrontation. Lol.


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blackjack50 said:
I've always known. I'm a very pleasant guy. In fact. I just got someone recognized for their outstanding customer service at Walmart. Not a joke. This poor girl maintained her cool with this stupid ass woman screaming at her about not taking her even though the line was closed. Friggin victim mentality. It actually triggered this thread. Cause the woman ended up taking longer to get out of the store.


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good on you for being an advocate for the worker bee

but damn, do i ever hate walmart

local store never has enough electric carts for the elderly/disabled. quit taking folks in need of such mobility to shop there. it's not like walmart can't afford the additional devices
 
justabubba said:
good on you for being an advocate for the worker bee

but damn, do i ever hate walmart

local store never has enough electric carts for the elderly/disabled. quit taking folks in need of such mobility to shop there. it's not like walmart can't afford the additional devices
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True that. And I always try to advocate for those people. I'm not afraid to lodge a complaint, but they have to do something really bad for that. Everyone has a bad day, and when you are stuck in a crappy job...you get more of them.


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blackjack50 said:
Don't be a jerk. Do unto others. Karma. Whatever you wanna call it, life is way easier when you treat others right. This is something I have been observing recently. And it has become the case more often than not. People who are rude inconsiderate jerks always seem surprised when they are treated as such. They wonder why people don't work harder to help them when they were screaming at that person who has as much control on the situation as them.

Do you feel this is a good rule and frequently the case?


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Matthew 7
12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.


Like it says, it sums up the Law. If everyone would practice the golden rule.....just imagine how peaceful life would be.
 
blackjack50 said:
Don't be a jerk. Do unto others. Karma. Whatever you wanna call it, life is way easier when you treat others right. This is something I have been observing recently. And it has become the case more often than not. People who are rude inconsiderate jerks always seem surprised when they are treated as such. They wonder why people don't work harder to help them when they were screaming at that person who has as much control on the situation as them.

Do you feel this is a good rule and frequently the case?


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Amen! I'm sorry, but it's just not that freaking hard to be nice to people.

Or... Failing that, at the very least, POLITE.

Honestly, what does it hurt?
 
The root cause is ego. "I, me, mine."

Ego is a bear. I certainly struggle with it. I do know that when I let go of ego I am much nicer to the world and the world is a much nicer place.

It has become a bit easier with age, but by no means have I mastered it.

I, Me, Mine ~ The Beatles (George Harrison)

All through' the day
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.
All through' the night
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.
Now they're frightened of leaving it
Ev'ryone's weaving it,
Coming on strong all the time,
All through' the day I me mine.

I-I-me-me mine, I-I-me-me mine,
I-I-me-me mine, I-I-me-me mine.

All I can hear
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.
Even those tears
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.
No-one's frightened of playing it
Ev'ryone's saying it,
Flowing more freely than wine,
All through' the day I me mine.

I-I-me-me mine, I-I-me-me mine,
I-I-me-me mine, I-I-me-me mine.

All I can hear
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.
Even those tears
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine.
No-one's frightened of playing it
Ev'ryone's saying it,
Flowing more freely than wine,
All through' your life I me mine.

Music from the anthology, I Me Mine
 
Gathomas88 said:
Amen! I'm sorry, but it's just not that freaking hard to be nice to people.

Or... Failing that, at the very least, POLITE.

Honestly, what does it hurt?
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It doesn't.
 
There are two issues here that people seem to be addressing:

Greed. What is it? To my mind it's not wanting and striving to get more than you need or what others deem you deserve. To me, greed means wanting and striving to get more than that which will cover your needs AND that will make you happy. Wanting more and being greedy aren't necessarily synonymous. Greed is a negative quality and I think it is useful to consider therefore what makes it a negative. That's my two cents.

On how to treat others. I think that I try to observe the golden rule, but it's not all sweetness. If I were to behave like an a-hole, I would accept that others would do likewise to me, and sometimes that might be appropriate on both sides.
 
blackjack50 said:
Don't be a jerk. Do unto others. Karma. Whatever you wanna call it, life is way easier when you treat others right. This is something I have been observing recently. And it has become the case more often than not. People who are rude inconsiderate jerks always seem surprised when they are treated as such. They wonder why people don't work harder to help them when they were screaming at that person who has as much control on the situation as them.

Do you feel this is a good rule and frequently the case?


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No,people are treated according to how they treat the others but in the opposite way !! if you respect them too much ,they may not !!
 
Seems similar to a phrase I've latched onto recently: "Assume positive intent." It seems to work pretty well. If someone doesn't have positive intent, they can prove my assumptions wrong. There are instances where you can't, but in most everyday life it seems to work well.
 
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