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war is one "group" against anotherOut of curiosity, what do you think war is?
no most soldiers are not psychopaths, but they are for the most part followers by psychological profile...how far they manage to go up the ladder depends upon ability to distinguish one's self due to cool thinking and IQAre all soldiers psychopaths?
here in this interaction between us you have made my point for me repeatedly...."group", "group", tribe, tribe, society
if one is the aggressor one has already decided that they are willing to kill innocents....if one is attacked there are no innocents, it is kill or be killedWould it be better to be conquered, or killed by the enemy, than to kill "innocents" in battle?
(see the difference)
no actually there is another enemy and that is the enemy within...what is one willing to do to another human being within one's "group" in order to survive....there will be various answers to that and that is all part of a psychological profile of an individualThis scenario really isn't all that different. The "enemy" in question simply happens to be time and the lack of resources rather than an actual entity.
hopefully you can see what they were doing
starvation is not imminent....fear of starvation is for some...that makes some people rashTo be fair, "we're all going to starve to death unless we do X," isn't really "arbitrary." It's necessary, and rational.
rash leaders get people killed unnecessary...one can not have leaders who are rash
in this particular instance there is not enough information to make any decision or the group will collapse and die
"groups"....that was a study in group dynamicsNew Scientist - How warfare shaped human evolution
Summarized: In the course of our evolution, human beings had to compete for resources, as all animals do. While social living and cooperation between individuals helps to mitigate that to a certain extent, the unfortunate fact of the matter is that not all human beings can belong to the same social group. We're just not wired that way. For that reason, competition between different groups over the same resources becomes inevitable after a certain point. That competition, inevitably, becomes violent.
Smarter, more efficient, more organized, and more ruthless groups tend to win out over groups less developed in those traits, so those groups survived where other groups did not. They also passed on their genes to subsequent generations, so those traits became more common in the human species as a whole.
which is exactly why no fast arbitrary life or death decision can be made....EVERThat is a luxury which the resources and infrastructure at our disposal provides. The scenario presupposes that such luxury no longer exists.
it might come to that at a certain point for the benefit and survival of the "group"...but walking out that door for this ragtag group at this point, or sending anyone out would be stupid in the extremeWhich might very include sacrificing yourself for the greater good of the group as a whole.
yes and they were not the survivors long termUmmm... Actually, from what I've read, a lot of people in the camps were basically willing to murder one another over bread crumbs, and a disproportionate number of survivors were either skilled laborers, or "trustees" of sorts, who basically worked with the Nazis to avoid the gas chambers and get better treatment.
no shame? I say there is shame and a lack of understanding about human beings, their nature and what it truly takes to surviveThere's no shame in that. You do what you have to do to survive under such circumstances. :shrug:
luckily this was just an experiment to watch you interact...who bullies the group..who takes control, do they override quieter more rational ideas, it all is extremely important to understand how each individual will react under extreme stress
i just did one of these at work...our scenario was different...our cruise boat had exploded and a group of us had one raft and a bunch of supplies...