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Karma

Risky Thicket said:
Logic is the foundation actually.
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True but people can and are dicks without there having to be retribution for their actions. People get away with crap all the time and profit from being mean. And nothing really bad ever happens to them.

Some kids are raped daily and at some pint die and are buried somewhere and never found and the monster that did it got away with it. There is no such thing as karma.
 
I believe very much in Karma. You know, the ol "what goes around comes around" philosophy. And like religion, it doesn't make much sense but I still believe in it anyway. I guess it's called Faith there is such a thing and living your life the best you can for yourself, and those you encounter and hope the kindness you have given or shown returns to you. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. Regardless, I still believe in it.
 
_Sal said:
so for you it is fantasy correct?

Does this mean you can do anything you choose to anyone when you please with no consequence?
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That depends upon whether the law catches you or somebody takes revenge.
 
Dragonfly said:
I thought karma was this:

Good things come to those who do good things.
Bad things come to those who do bad things.

A "what goes around comes around" sort of thing.

I speak of having good karma all the time.

I think there's something to it, but it might just be a frame of mind in general.

When I seem to make lots of green lights in a row when I'm driving, I tend to think it might be good karma, especially when I've let a few people before go first at stop signs, or given them space in merge lanes.

I'm open to being wrong on all that though.
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Coincidence.
 
Logicman said:
In Old Testament Judaism if you followed the laws of the lord, you were blessed. If not, you were cursed. Examples of God's blessings and curses can be found in Deuteronomy chapter 28.
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Wrong forum.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yes, of course karma exists. It is logical and it happens to everyone everyday whether people believe in it or not. Karma is much more complex than action and reaction. In my experience people define karma by the definition given to them, a Cliff's Notes version, if you will. To understand karma, and I am not suggesting that I fully understand it, reading and contemplation and even discussion are required.
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I agree that it is a logical and complex action and reaction
 
Dragonfly said:
It just seems to me that when you focus on doing good things, and you focus on being positive, that often times you receive the same kind of positive things in return.

That's not to say some shitty things don't happen to good people, but generally, I believe what I see.
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I agree that it's all about focus and that thoughts are powerful for out bodily response and what we draw to us.

Bad things do happen to good people yes

sometimes when terrible things happen to them years later they will tell you it's the best thing that ever happened to them

why do you think that would be then if it was bad to begin with?
 
_Sal said:
do you believe solely in your own will to make things happen and the rest is just random?
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Things happen regardless of my will. It's called life.
 
_Sal said:
this was a discussion at work today...karma isn't just an eastern philosophy any more

what does it mean to you?

is it real?

have you ever experienced it, witnessed it?
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Real as in what comes around goes around, but not real as a force. I just see it as the odds finally catching up with someone.
 
_Sal said:
so if you say what comes around goes around you just view it as random until bad outcomes happen?
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No...I see it more as actions getting a reaction. Do enough bad stuff, bad things will eventually catch up with you. It's just probabilities.

Take someone who always breaks rules. They break them so often, it's second nature. THey lie, they cheat, they steal, they do drugs, they don't pay taxes or wear seatbelts, they drive with expired tags and no license, pretty much any rule we have, they break. Well, we all know that eventually that will catch up to them. Right?
 
calamity said:
No...I see it more as actions getting a reaction. Do enough bad stuff, bad things will eventually catch up with you. It's just probabilities.

Take someone who always breaks rules. They break them so often, it's second nature. THey lie, they cheat, they steal, they do drugs, they don't pay taxes or wear seatbelts, they drive with expired tags and no license, pretty much any rule we have, they break. Well, we all know that eventually that will catch up to them. Right?
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well personally I think when someone is doing that stuff, it has already caught up to them... :mrgreen:

what about good stuff?
 
_Sal said:
well personally I think when someone is doing that stuff, it has already caught up to them... :mrgreen:

what about good stuff?
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Hard work, perseverance, following the laws and the rules while making wise decisions definitely pays off. "Luck is the sweat off the brow of hard work" comes to mind.

My motto is, "Want to change your luck, start doing the right thing."
 
calamity said:
Hard work, perseverance, following the laws and the rules while making wise decisions definitely pays off. "Luck is the sweat off the brow of hard work" comes to mind.

My motto is, "Want to change your luck, start doing the right thing."
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and when bad stuff happens to good people?
 
_Sal said:
and when bad stuff happens to good people?
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Less chance of that if they always do the right thing. Fewer people get sick and die young if they never smoked for instance. If you don't break laws, you probably won't be shot by a cop. If you show up for work on time, every day and do a good job, you probably won't be the first one laid off. Not always, of course. But, the odds shift in your favor.

That's not to say bad things don't happen to good people. I know a few women who developed autoimmune diseases for no reason whatsoever except that their bodies went out of whack. Bad genes...or perhaps too good of an immune system.

Both of the people I am thinking of right now were never sick a day in their lives. In fact, the one had me so stunned over her strong immune system, I used to joke with her about it, saying she could probably go work with Ebola patients without wearing a mask. A year later, her immune system began attacking her healthy organs.
 
calamity said:
Less chance of that if they always do the right thing. Fewer people get sick and die young if they never smoked for instance. If you don't break laws, you probably won't be shot by a cop. If you show up for work on time, every day and do a good job, you probably won't be the first one laid off. Not always, of course. But, the odds shift in your favor.

That's not to say bad things don't happen to good people. I know a few women who developed autoimmune diseases for no reason whatsoever except that their bodies went out of whack. Bad genes...or perhaps too good of an immune system.

Both of the people I am thinking of right now were never sick a day in their lives. In fact, the one had me so stunned over her strong immune system, I used to joke with her about it, saying she could probably go work with Ebola patients without wearing a mask. A year later, her immune system began attacking her healthy organs.
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okay that makes perfect sense from an odds perspective

as for the immune system it is a complicated process with all kinds of variables....one of my girlfriends has MS which it autoimmune...she isn't the cleanest person I have ever met meaning she isn't a germaphobe and doesn't much worry about germs....she never picks up viruses such as colds or flu and never did

is there a connection...I don't know but like you I say likely
 
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