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Why try to find "the" alligator?

Fletch said:
Why didn't the alligator eat the baby? Anyone know?
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Probably because of all the search and rescue activity. Gators tend to hide their prey in crevices and come back for it.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Perhaps, however it's wrong to blame the zoo officials who shot the gorilla. It became necessary when the gorilla became very agitated from all of the screaming and shouting by the crowd that had gathered.
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I don't blame them, it is just a shame there wasn't another option. Perhaps their gorillas should be moved elsewhere.
 
iguanaman said:
I don't blame them, it is just a shame there wasn't another option. Perhaps their gorillas should be moved elsewhere.
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I don't really blame anyone in that case. The zoo has responded correctly by making it more difficult for a child to fall or crawl into a gorilla enclosure.
 
Dragonfly said:
Disney alligator attack: Investigation continues - CNN.com



Why? So it can be killed?
Which will change what?

Here's an idea, put signs around open bodies of water, rivers, creeks, and certainly on BEACHES that resorts own and manage that dangerous alligators may be present, but not easily seen.

This notion that a wild animal, doing what wild animals do, somehow get's a "taste for humans" is rather silly.

And how does anyone at this point "identify" the alligator that got the child?
According to news releases I saw the body was intact and only puncture wounds were evident. The child was not eaten.
Most likely drowned. So how does one "identify" the specific alligator?

Just seems really silly.
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Retribution trumps progress in American circa 2016.

Justice too.
 
jimbo said:
Sure, that'll work. All we gotta do is just wade in, catch us a bunch of alligators, then check their dentures, collect a little DNA while we're at it

Then what? Make him sit in the corner for a few hours?

Animals do what animals do. Unless we exterminate the species, interaction with humans will result in the occasional tragedy.
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I was responding to dragonfly and the ridiculous first post on gators.

But yes, making a gator sit a corner may be a good start.:lamo
 
Airboat captain: Don't blame Disney for gators - CNN.com

A senior Disney source told CNN on Thursday evening that's changing, and alligator warnings will be posted on all resort waterways.
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Well that's progress.

Getting rid of all the alligators on Disney's sprawling property, he said, is "an impossibility." Disney could hire a fleet of boats with trappers tasked with nothing but snaring alligators, and "you're never going to get rid of them," he said.
Florida is rife with tributaries and waterways, sure, but a male alligator is also content to travel on roadways, scoot through canals and drainage pipes, and even climb chain-link fences to get to its destination, he said.
You'd be hard-pressed to keep one out of your swimming pool, let alone a 27,000-acre property like Disney.
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Common sense.
 
soot said:
You know, it's funny, that the people who are calling for this alligator's execution today are probably the same who were up in arms over the zoo killing that gorilla a couple weeks ago.

And the people who were screaming the loudest that the negligent, distracted, or just plain lousy mother was at fault for her child climbing in to the gorilla enclosure are probably the same people who today are blaming the alligator, Disney, the state of Florida, God, and everyone other than the parents who allowed their toddler to wade knee-deep in an alligator-infested Florida lake.

You just can't make people happy.
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For one the toddler didn't see the gator, say "I want to go swim with the gator", and then the parent turns their back while the kid goes to swim with the gator. Two different situations.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Are you serious?
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The "search" for the alligator is/was going on well after the body was recovered.

I understand trying to find the alligator when no body has been found, but that's not what I'm questioning.
The body has been recovered. Intact. Yet the search continues? Why?

It's a very sad and tragic lesson that some have learned, but spending time trying to pinpoint which specific alligator it was won't change a damn thing.
Killing "the alligator" won't prevent another alligator death in Florida.

The other alligators won't learn not to prey on small children once they hear about what happened to "the alligator" at Disney.

A two year old in the water is a very reasonable, and natural sized potential food for an alligator. Little difference in size from many other animals the gators might feed on.

There is NOT some conspiracy among gators to hunt small children.

It's a bizarre and very tragic accident. First time ever. Now how many kids have been to Disney World since it opened?
 
mike2810 said:
Specific to gators, true.

there were other signs stating no swimming or wading.

Got to ask. Do you need a warning sign to keep you out of waters known to possibly have gators in them?
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If you are from different parts of the Country were there may NOT be gators , then why would you think they would be looking out for them . Who would think gators are in a Disney resort ?
 
CrabCake said:
They wouldn't have helped in this case. So, why the anger? Proper signs would have made absolutely no difference in this case and this is the only attack in Disney's history. Therefore proper signs would have never made any difference throughout the entire history of the park. They would have saved zero lives. So, while I agree with you...there's no need for "!!!". Additional signs are a good idea, but one that would have never made any difference in any incident that has ever happened in the 45 year history of the park.
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I guess we will never know what difference it would have made . But Disney is responsible !
 
iguanaman said:
The sign that was missing was one that warned against feeding alligators. It is a felony in Florida.
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There are warning signs in other areas , but NONE at a Disney resort ???? WTF
 
iguanaman said:
Millions have done just that without incident over the 45 years that Disney has been in Orlando. That alligator was lured there by foolish tourists who had fed him before. I am convinced of that.
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If they are so gentle why did they kill ALL five ??
 
iguanaman said:
Disney has had that lake in Florida for 45 years without incident. It is important to realize the rarity of such a tragedy. It is a 1 in million type event if not even rarer. There were no swimming signs nearby from the reports I have read.
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Was the victim actually swimming? Did the signs say "caution: alligators are present in this lagoon"? Alligators can, and do, take prey from the shore.
 
Socrates1 said:
If you are from different parts of the Country were there may NOT be gators , then why would you think they would be looking out for them . Who would think gators are in a Disney resort ?
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Anyone that realizes that body of water is in Florida and that alligators are present in most such bodies of water in Florida.

Florida Alligator Attacks - Florida Alligator - Avoid Alligator Attacks

Alligators in Florida Lakes – Alligator Attacks and Nuisance Gator Removal

Find out which Central Florida lake has the most monster gators

https://www.romper.com/p/where-do-alligators-live-theyre-basically-everywhere-in-florida-12545
 
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Socrates1 said:
But Disney is responsible !
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I have a hard time agreeing with that.

Disney did not cause the event.
There's no way of knowing if some signs would have prevented such an event. People ignore signs all the friggin time.
Was this a common occurrence? No, it wasn't. First time in fact.

Disney is reacting appropriately by putting signs up.

But to say Disney is "responsible" is tough.

If I'm swimming in the ocean off Myrtle Beach, South Carolina and I get eaten by a shark, should South Carolina and/or Myrtle Beach be held responsible?

There are no signs that say sharks my be in the water.
 
Socrates1 said:
If you are from different parts of the Country were there may NOT be gators , then why would you think they would be looking out for them . Who would think gators are in a Disney resort ?
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ever thought of doing some research regarding the new place your going to visit? What you should be asking is why wouldn't they become familiar with the area and its hazards?

Seem your of the mind set of "its not my fault", it has to be someone else. Personal responsibility, you know?
I have stated it was a tragic accident. I am not going to say it was the parents fault.

Back to the OP. Humans have removed animals to reduced issues. Humans have tracked down animals that have hurt or killed humans. This generally resulted in the animal being killed. This has been done regardless if an area was posted or not.
 
americanwoman said:
For one the toddler didn't see the gator, say "I want to go swim with the gator", and then the parent turns their back while the kid goes to swim with the gator. Two different situations.
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Agreed, two different situations.

In one you've got a parent distracted and enjoying a zoo exhibition so she turns her attention away fro her child for the moment.

Now, I don't know if you're a parent or not, but if you or any parent tries to tell me that you NEVER momentarily lost track of your child, not even those few panicked moments at the department store when the kid snuck in to the middle a rack of clothes and you're on your belly looking for feet before you sound the red alert, I'll tell you that you're full of ****, right to your face, and walk away from the conversation because you're a flat out bald faced liar and there's no sense trying to have a conversation with that kind of stupidity.

It happens, to all of us, no matter how "good" of parents we are.

On the other hand you've got an idiot who goes wading with his toddler, at night, in a freshwater lagoon in Florida.

That's basically saying, "Hey Junior, let's go pretend we're alligator prey and see what comes of it, shall we?"

So yeah, two different situations.

In the former momentary distraction.

In the latter gross negligence.
 
soot said:
Agreed, two different situations.

In one you've got a parent distracted and enjoying a zoo exhibition so she turns her attention away fro her child for the moment.

Now, I don't know if you're a parent or not, but if you or any parent tries to tell me that you NEVER momentarily lost track of your child, not even those few panicked moments at the department store when the kid snuck in to the middle a rack of clothes and you're on your belly looking for feet before you sound the red alert, I'll tell you that you're full of ****, right to your face, and walk away from the conversation because you're a flat out bald faced liar and there's no sense trying to have a conversation with that kind of stupidity.

It happens, to all of us, no matter how "good" of parents we are.

On the other hand you've got an idiot who goes wading with his toddler, at night, in a freshwater lagoon in Florida.

That's basically saying, "Hey Junior, let's go pretend we're alligator prey and see what comes of it, shall we?"

So yeah, two different situations.

In the former momentary distraction.

In the latter gross negligence.
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I do have a child and I can't claim I've never lost track of her momentarily or made some judgement error that could have resulted in an accident. I'm not perfect and neither is anyone else. It's not that they were being idiots wading at night by a lagoon, they were at a resot watching an outdoor movie right next to the lagoon. The father was obviously actually watching his son as he dove in right away and tried to do something about it, not just distracted because he was taking a selfie as reported in the other case. The thing is in the zoo there was an actual warning, the kid saying they wanted to be with the gorilla.
 
Socrates1 said:
If they are so gentle why did they kill ALL five ??
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I didn't say alligators were gentle, I said dangerous. Alligators that are not afraid of humans are very dangerous. They do not know which alligator killed the kid. They need to get rid of the ones that have lost the fear of humans. I believe we will see them put up do not feed the alligators signs. That was the cause, I would bet on it. Gators are primitive creatures and when fed they associate humans with food and humans AS food is often the result. You can't blame their instincts.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Anyone that realizes that body of water is in Florida and that alligators are present in most such bodies of water in Florida.

Florida Alligator Attacks - Florida Alligator - Avoid Alligator Attacks

Alligators in Florida Lakes – Alligator Attacks and Nuisance Gator Removal

Find out which Central Florida lake has the most monster gators

https://www.romper.com/p/where-do-alligators-live-theyre-basically-everywhere-in-florida-12545
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And IF they are from a STATE that has no gators AND they happen to go to a RESORT for mostly CHILDREN attended , most with a brain would think to warning VACATIONERS of the DANGER !!!:roll:
 
Dragonfly said:
I have a hard time agreeing with that.

Disney did not cause the event.
There's no way of knowing if some signs would have prevented such an event. People ignore signs all the friggin time.
Was this a common occurrence? No, it wasn't. First time in fact.

Disney is reacting appropriately by putting signs up.

But to say Disney is "responsible" is tough.

If I'm swimming in the ocean off Myrtle Beach, South Carolina and I get eaten by a shark, should South Carolina and/or Myrtle Beach be held responsible?

There are no signs that say sharks my be in the water.
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This is a Disney RESORT NOT A BEACH !!!
 
mike2810 said:
ever thought of doing some research regarding the new place your going to visit? What you should be asking is why wouldn't they become familiar with the area and its hazards?

Seem your of the mind set of "its not my fault", it has to be someone else. Personal responsibility, you know?
I have stated it was a tragic accident. I am not going to say it was the parents fault.

Back to the OP. Humans have removed animals to reduced issues. Humans have tracked down animals that have hurt or killed humans. This generally resulted in the animal being killed. This has been done regardless if an area was posted or not.
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Research Disney and you will NOT see at our RESORT you will encounter GATORS !!! :lamo :roll: :shock:
 
iguanaman said:
I didn't say alligators were gentle, I said dangerous. Alligators that are not afraid of humans are very dangerous. They do not know which alligator killed the kid. They need to get rid of the ones that have lost the fear of humans. I believe we will see them put up do not feed the alligators signs. That was the cause, I would bet on it. Gators are primitive creatures and when fed they associate humans with food and humans AS food is often the result. You can't blame their instincts.
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Nope , blame Disney .
 
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