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Atheist philosophy has any promise for people?

Medusa said:
if not why should we convert to atheism ?
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Are you asking us to rate the relative value of Theism against Atheism as "promise for (the) people?"
 
Medusa said:
okay we still pretend to misunderstand

why should I be atheist instead of believer ?

it is enough ?
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We all have our different thresholds for what we consider to be the burden of proof. That the universe exists doesn't tell me anything about anything, that's why we have science.

My threshold for the burden of proof forces me to be agnostic, bordering atheist.
 
Medusa said:
the universe in which you have been living is already a proof however we do not need any proof to believe in a creator.it is not science.....
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I need proof.
 
Fishking said:
Possibly, but then that wouldn't be atheism. That would be some form of theism. I'm only addressing this point to highlight that atheists feeling they can ridicule theists' beliefs are not coming from more solid ground then those they are making fun of.
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Science provides solid ground. A god doing it by magic rests on shaky foundations. There are many creation myths in the religions of the world.
 
Medusa said:
if not why should we convert to atheism ?
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It is impossible to convert to atheism, atheism is the lack of belief in gods. If you stop believing in gods, you automatically become an atheist. This can't be that hard for you to comprehend, can it?
 
Both of my parents are the most conservative Republicans on the planet, and neither one of them believe in God.

Atheism is not a philosophy, nor is it a monolithic belief system where every atheist shares the same values. If you're asking why atheist "philosophy" should lead you to atheism, you won't get an answer because there is no philosophy.
 
akrunner88 said:
You are correct to assert that our inability to recreate abiogenesis is a valid criticism. But just because we aren't there yet doesn't mean we might not be there one day. Scientists are getting closer and closer and have created RNA in labs, along with certain proteins.]

If we can create life from non-life in a lab, that will completely throw the world for a loop. I think we will get there one day.
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Perhaps we can engineer something. There is a long ways to go from constructing RNA to DNA and then on to making an actual self-sustaining living organism. Additionally, how would that translate to something that would actually present itself in nature? Humans make cars but that doesn't mean the universe would spontaneously pop a car out of somewhere, given enough time.
 
Fishking said:
Perhaps we can engineer something. There is a long ways to go from constructing RNA to DNA and then on to making an actual self-sustaining living organism. Additionally, how would that translate to something that would actually present itself in nature? Humans make cars but that doesn't mean the universe would spontaneously pop a car out of somewhere, given enough time.
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Neither could a god pop out a car.
 
Fishking said:
Believing that something as complex as even the simplest living organisms (need to be able to consume and metabolize food, procreate, ect) poofed together out of non-living chemicals should either garner the same level of ridicule or perhaps even higher.
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But you believe that a magical man in the sky exists that is much more complex and that shouldn't? :roll:
 
Fishking said:
Perhaps we can engineer something. There is a long ways to go from constructing RNA to DNA and then on to making an actual self-sustaining living organism. Additionally, how would that translate to something that would actually present itself in nature? Humans make cars but that doesn't mean the universe would spontaneously pop a car out of somewhere, given enough time.
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Again, our lack of understanding of the science doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like everything in our known universe, it's taken a while to discover the functions behind it.

Our lack of knowledge doesn't default God.

I have no issue with your belief in God either.
 
Cephus said:
But you believe that a magical man in the sky exists that is much more complex and that shouldn't? :roll:
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Maybe, maybe not. I'm just saying that it's no more ridiculous than abiogenesis. I don't think people should really be ridiculing anyone for their beliefs. To me, it's representative of an over-inflated or fragile ego.

My FB feed is full of friends that are what I call militant or new wave atheists. They will constantly post derogatory things about religion (mostly Christianity). That's fine by me. It does not hurt my feelings but I will challenge the false narratives or the hypocrisy.
 
akrunner88 said:
Again, our lack of understanding of the science doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like everything in our known universe, it's taken a while to discover the functions behind it.

Our lack of knowledge doesn't default God.

I have no issue with your belief in God either.
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I don't have an issue with disbelief in God. What bothers me is the current trend to insult those who are religious or the use of religion as a scapegoat for everything wrong in the world. Fact is, whether you are religious or not, people generally are kind of nasty to each other.
 
Fishking said:
I don't have an issue with disbelief in God. What bothers me is the current trend to insult those who are religious or the use of religion as a scapegoat for everything wrong in the world. Fact is, whether you are religious or not, people generally are kind of nasty to each other.
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I don't particularly involve myself in that. But if you believe that human beings rode on the backs of dinosaurs using saddles like Ken Ham does, you deserve ridicule.
 
Fishking said:
But there is heavy proselytizing.
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When is the last time someone has come to your doorstep to try to convert you to atheism?
 
Cephus said:
But you believe that a magical man in the sky exists that is much more complex and that shouldn't? :roll:
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OMG ,I have never believed in Zeus!
 
Fishking said:
Maybe, maybe not. I'm just saying that it's no more ridiculous than abiogenesis. I don't think people should really be ridiculing anyone for their beliefs. To me, it's representative of an over-inflated or fragile ego.

My FB feed is full of friends that are what I call militant or new wave atheists. They will constantly post derogatory things about religion (mostly Christianity). That's fine by me. It does not hurt my feelings but I will challenge the false narratives or the hypocrisy.
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In the face of the modern religious entitlement culture I'd imagine that Jesus would qualify as a militant or new wave atheist.
 
Fishking said:
Maybe, maybe not. I'm just saying that it's no more ridiculous than abiogenesis. I don't think people should really be ridiculing anyone for their beliefs. To me, it's representative of an over-inflated or fragile ego.

My FB feed is full of friends that are what I call militant or new wave atheists. They will constantly post derogatory things about religion (mostly Christianity). That's fine by me. It does not hurt my feelings but I will challenge the false narratives or the hypocrisy.
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What false narratives? Is Genisis a true narrative?
 
RAMOSS said:
When is the last time someone has come to your doorstep to try to convert you to atheism?
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To my doorstep? Never. Of course, that's not the only venue for it. There are even people like Dawkins and Hitchens who made a living off of it.
 
Fishking said:
Why not? By definition, God would not be bound by natural laws.
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A definition created by believers. Defining a leprechaun would not magic it into being.
 
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