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Dying With Dignity

The Shiavo case was a tragedy and a disgusting case of politicizing her tragedy/dying by the Florida government and the US government.

I disagree. Her parents and brother, who were trying to save her life, took their fight public, and the nation became interested, especially after a couple of videos were released that seemed to suggest that though dreadfully incapacitated, Terri was aware.

And this was a riveting case not just because of the right-to-life argument, but also because Terri was young enough that she hadn't left written instructions in the case of a catastrophe and so her parents were pitted against her husband, and this legal issue had to be resolved.

And this was very interesting too because the husband, who had found her unconscious on the floor (outside the bathroom, I think), had moved on with his life and already had at least two children with another woman, suggesting perhaps he might not have his wife's best interests at heart but, rather, his own.

Don't blame Florida or the feds; they had to respond because the nation's attention was focused on this sad case.
 
I disagree. Her parents and brother, who were trying to save her life, took their fight public, and the nation became interested, especially after a couple of videos were released that seemed to suggest that though dreadfully incapacitated, Terri was aware.

And this was a riveting case not just because of the right-to-life argument, but also because Terri was young enough that she hadn't left written instructions in the case of a catastrophe and so her parents were pitted against her husband, and this legal issue had to be resolved.

And this was very interesting too because the husband, who had found her unconscious on the floor (outside the bathroom, I think), had moved on with his life and already had at least two children with another woman, suggesting perhaps he might not have his wife's best interests at heart but, rather, his own.

Don't blame Florida or the feds; they had to respond because the nation's attention was focused on this sad case.

Except that real evidence had already shown that there was not awareness in Terri Shiavo, and her parents where not interested in her well being nor was the phony government in Florida and the worst of them was George W. Bush. A real political hack on this subject. Having signed a the advanced directives law that allowed doctors in Texas to remove patients off the ventilator against the wishes of the family/mother of the patient. So Bush signed a law that allowed doctors to remove the breathing tube from Hudson Sun against the wishes of the mother but then tried to stop the legal husband of Terri (and from all we know Terri itself) from being allowed to die.

And Terri's husband did not want her to die like this, he had wanted to let nature take it's course by not treating her when an infection had taken hold, only to be forced by a judge to medicate her against her wishes.

And it was not very interesting that he had gotten another girlfriend because his wife was as good as dead (except for allowing her to die) and I know that the family did not have her peace/respect her wishes by wanting to force illogical and unethical operations on her. And that family knew the new girlfriend, they even met the new girlfriend.

Her husband was a good husband for her even after him getting a new girlfriend.
 
The Shiavo case was a tragedy and a disgusting case of politicizing her tragedy/dying by the Florida government and the US government.
horrible for the whole family yes

I disagree. Her parents and brother, who were trying to save her life, took their fight public, and the nation became interested, especially after a couple of videos were released that seemed to suggest that though dreadfully incapacitated, Terri was aware.

And this was a riveting case not just because of the right-to-life argument, but also because Terri was young enough that she hadn't left written instructions in the case of a catastrophe and so her parents were pitted against her husband, and this legal issue had to be resolved.

And this was very interesting too because the husband, who had found her unconscious on the floor (outside the bathroom, I think), had moved on with his life and already had at least two children with another woman, suggesting perhaps he might not have his wife's best interests at heart but, rather, his own.

Don't blame Florida or the feds; they had to respond because the nation's attention was focused on this sad case.
I find that interesting in and of itself because if my partner found me unconscious outside of the bathroom door and I was in a coma and all crippled up and debilitated in the way in which she was I would A) rather be dead which she had clearly also expressed to her partner

B) would certainly hope my partner would move on and live his life not spend every waking moment at my bedside watching me vegetate
 
It's been many years, and I would have to read up, but as I recall, there was some suspicion that the husband might have done her harm. All I remember (and perhaps poorly) was that he found her unconscious and that something was wrong with her potassium levels (?). Anyway, "interesting" circumstances.
 
How glad I am that I live in a country where no doctor or hospital can profit by prolonging my life unreasonably. Campaign for a national health service, my American friends, it really does make sense!

I appreciate your enthusiasm, especially given the post of mine you responded to - however, I would rather lose my financial savings through fighting greed than my freedom through submitting to authoritarianism.
 
I fall in line with you on this.

But I do have one fear about death

My biggest fear about death is not ever getting to know more about our world & universe.

Sounds strange, but it's me in a nutshell.

You're never going to know everything. I know what I know and when I'm dead, I won't know that I ever knew anything because I'll be dead. There's no regret when you're dead.
 
It's been many years, and I would have to read up, but as I recall, there was some suspicion that the husband might have done her harm. All I remember (and perhaps poorly) was that he found her unconscious and that something was wrong with her potassium levels (?). Anyway, "interesting" circumstances.

There has never been one inkling of foul play in her collapsing. No physical injury has ever been found and I will guess that her reason for collapsing will always remain a mystery. One reason could be that she just drank too many fluids. But as said, we will never know what happened but to say that just because he found her it was suspicious with regard to him has never been proven whatsoever.
 
I appreciate your enthusiasm, especially given the post of mine you responded to - however, I would rather lose my financial savings through fighting greed than my freedom through submitting to authoritarianism.

What authoritarianism? People choosing to die do this out of free choice not out of authoritarianism. People should not have to go bankrupt getting better, medical insurance should pick up those costs.
 
Interesting article with a rather interesting stat-line: A high percentage of doctors don't seek life saving treatments near the end of their lives.



They obviously know something we don't.

I know, what they know and they are right.
 
Almost 90%...that blows my mind. Tells me I better get my DNR papers in order during the next few years.

What you want is insulin and an injector.
 
What authoritarianism? People choosing to die do this out of free choice not out of authoritarianism. People should not have to go bankrupt getting better, medical insurance should pick up those costs.

Context matters - please read the post I was responding to, and my previous post to which he was responding to.
 
I appreciate your enthusiasm, especially given the post of mine you responded to - however, I would rather lose my financial savings through fighting greed than my freedom through submitting to authoritarianism.

My meager financial savings are secure in Sweden as we do not have a wealth tax - unlike some countries. Is it your belief that all single provider health care systems, such as are the rule in every advanced state except the USA, exist only because of 'authoritarianism'.? Or does your post have some mystical purpose which I cannot divine?
 
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