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Are atheists going to hell? [W:88]

The mainstream Judaism does not use the concept of Hell.. so no, no one is going to hell.

Bull.

First of all, does that mean Hitler and Ted Bundy are in heaven?

Second, what's the name of this place where people awake from death and suffer shame and everlasting contempt?

"Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." - Daniel 12:2
 
i figured you would get reactive, but the thing is, i don't care either. You asked a question i could easily take offense to, so you'll just have to suck it up

If you're going to postulate some sweeping damnation on basis of nonbelief, why i am not allowed to counter that maybe a just, loving god (as you put it) should care more about things like charity and not engaging in crime? In which case, atheists as a group hold up rather well to be condemned en mass by a just, loving god. That is all i was getting at - answering your ****ing question

i thought it also meshed well with my other post, which i dunno if you read - correlation vs causation is a fallacy i try to avoid after all. I imagine for example that the reason for lower crime rate among atheists is that the church is most embedded in low income areas which of course have higher crime rate to begin with and NOT because theists are morally inferior

so point in fact you seemed to have learned nothing because i was not getting at superiority at all

I told that other poster that his argument had merit and I was willing to hear it, but yeah, you rolling on in here being all, "yeah, you all really do suck in every respect" does nothing for me.
 
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Bull.

First of all, does that mean Hitler and Ted Bundy are in heaven?

Second, what's the name of this place where people awake from death and suffer shame and everlasting contempt?

"Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." - Daniel 12:2

Yes, the author of Daniel (who was not Daniel) made that statement. But, it's a vision, not reality. There is a very good reason for Daniel being in the writings... because it's about someone who died centuries before it was written. Now, be a good little boy, and not tell other religions what they believe.
 
Yes, the author of Daniel (who was not Daniel) made that statement. But, it's a vision, not reality. There is a very good reason for Daniel being in the writings... because it's about someone who died centuries before it was written. Now, be a good little boy, and not tell other religions what they believe.

Anything that busts your sophomoric theological rantings are "not reality." Sure, Ramoss.

You're busted.
 
There is no hell.

Apparently, the younger generation in the US, as they are also called as millenials, also reject the idea of hell. They have even devised a new Christian based religion where no hell exists.

That claim is also stupid and baseless, but it's an important development in the general stupid belief of religion that is invading the intellectual ability of most of humanity... some of the christians are now willing to admit that there is no hell!

We're making progress... one 16th of an inch every 50 years.... better than nothing.

which christians are those ?
 
It's disheartening to me that in this age of nigh unlimited information, we're still having this discussion. Sure, I'm participating, but only because I have to keep some hope that indoctrinated people can eventually see reason. Hell will never be disproved, just as leprechauns can and will never be disproved. The onus, as always, is on the believer. Disbelief is the default stance. Most of the time, supernatural debates end with something along the lines of, "You can't prove your side," "You can't prove yours, either," which is generally considered a stalemate. It is NOT a stalemate. Faith, as Bill Maher puts it, can be defined as "the purposeful suspension of critical thinking," and I personally believe this definition to be accurate. The holy books of every major religion there is have been scientifically invalidated numerous times, yet people continue to believe what they will as if they put a mental road block which no reason can ever touch. Just from perusing the threads on this forum for a while, I've concluded that a majority of religious posters here are relatively intelligent people. There is, in my opinion, no excuse for using logic to form a majority of your opinions and ideas, but then to refrain from doing so regarding the "big question." Why? Is it some mental illness, primarily used as some defense mechanism because you fear the unknown? Is it false belief, wherein you are just using Pascal's wager?
 
It's disheartening to me that in this age of nigh unlimited information, we're still having this discussion. Sure, I'm participating, but only because I have to keep some hope that indoctrinated people can eventually see reason. Hell will never be disproved, just as leprechauns can and will never be disproved. The onus, as always, is on the believer. Disbelief is the default stance. Most of the time, supernatural debates end with something along the lines of, "You can't prove your side," "You can't prove yours, either," which is generally considered a stalemate. It is NOT a stalemate. Faith, as Bill Maher puts it, can be defined as "the purposeful suspension of critical thinking," and I personally believe this definition to be accurate. The holy books of every major religion there is have been scientifically invalidated numerous times, yet people continue to believe what they will as if they put a mental road block which no reason can ever touch. Just from perusing the threads on this forum for a while, I've concluded that a majority of religious posters here are relatively intelligent people. There is, in my opinion, no excuse for using logic to form a majority of your opinions and ideas, but then to refrain from doing so regarding the "big question." Why? Is it some mental illness, primarily used as some defense mechanism because you fear the unknown? Is it false belief, wherein you are just using Pascal's wager?

The idea of meeting your loved ones after you die, while I may find illogical is perfectly reasonable. Religion is also cultural, societal, etc. I think religion is perfectly rational and has nothing to do with ones intellect, though I do find people who take on religion literally to be annoying.
 
As a contributing member of this community I highly advise against engaging "Logicman" in any form of religious debate. I smell hours of wasted time, energy, and a banhammer coming from a mile away.
 
Anything that busts your sophomoric theological rantings are "not reality." Sure, Ramoss.

You're busted.


You keep on saying those words. I do not think you understand what they mean.
 
As a contributing member of this community I highly advise against engaging "Logicman" in any form of religious debate. I smell hours of wasted time, energy, and a banhammer coming from a mile away.

I recommend you formulate a cohesive argument apropos to the question at hand, which is, "Are atheists going to Hell?"

I have answered in the affirmative, based on Revelation 21:8 and other scriptures.

If you have a Biblical position that differs from that I'd like to see it.
 
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The idea of meeting your loved ones after you die, while I may find illogical is perfectly reasonable. Religion is also cultural, societal, etc. I think religion is perfectly rational and has nothing to do with ones intellect, though I do find people who take on religion literally to be annoying.

It seems as if you are confusing wishful thinking and reason, unless I'm misunderstanding your point of view. I've established that trying to prove either side is a waste of everyone's time -- the logical course would, in this case, be to determine which is more PLAUSIBLE. Do you deny that a vast majority of religious people cherry pick scripture while ignoring the parts that seem absurd? In my personal experience (which is, of course, limited), a majority of religious people end up unintentionally admitting by the end of a debate that they believe in a divine deity because it's easier for them to deal with life. Basically, they adhere to the Pascal's wager premise -- with that being the case, they're basically admitting non belief, which in turn makes them atheists. Of course, this doesn't apply to ALL religious people. When specifically speaking of the people I just described, do they not believe in an all-knowing God? If he is, in fact, all-knowing, he surely knows that their belief is false? For the sake of argument, let's say there is a "good" God -- do you think he'd favor a blatant liar over someone who is honest enough to say he/she doesn't know?
 
It's disheartening to me that in this age of nigh unlimited information, we're still having this discussion. Sure, I'm participating, but only because I have to keep some hope that indoctrinated people can eventually see reason. Hell will never be disproved, just as leprechauns can and will never be disproved. The onus, as always, is on the believer. Disbelief is the default stance. Most of the time, supernatural debates end with something along the lines of, "You can't prove your side," "You can't prove yours, either," which is generally considered a stalemate. It is NOT a stalemate. Faith, as Bill Maher puts it, can be defined as "the purposeful suspension of critical thinking," and I personally believe this definition to be accurate. The holy books of every major religion there is have been scientifically invalidated numerous times, yet people continue to believe what they will as if they put a mental road block which no reason can ever touch. Just from perusing the threads on this forum for a while, I've concluded that a majority of religious posters here are relatively intelligent people. There is, in my opinion, no excuse for using logic to form a majority of your opinions and ideas, but then to refrain from doing so regarding the "big question." Why? Is it some mental illness, primarily used as some defense mechanism because you fear the unknown? Is it false belief, wherein you are just using Pascal's wager?

The onus is on the believer to do what? I'm not interested in convincing you of God's existence. I'm also not going to abandon my beliefs just because you think I should or think I must be mentally ill. Maybe you should be addressing your fellow atheists who suggest that God will understand why they were atheists. :lol:

Sorry to be so flippant, but if religious beliefs mean all these insulting things about what it says about the believer, what about the supposed non-believer whose contemplated their defense to God should they need it?
 
A christian should be wise enough not to argue there faith.

Someone lamenting the wisdom of others, should know that it's "their faith". :2razz:



(I'm just messing with you, my friend).
 
the apostle paul and probably untold millions of others (myself included) would disagree with that.

to argue would mean to try to convince one of their faith.

It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"
 
to argue would mean to try to convince one of their faith.

It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

We're called to make disciples of all nations. Part of that is often a legitimate discussion of the faith.
 
Actually I wouldn't mind going to Limbo, the First Circle. It's pretty laid-back according to Dante, and you would get to hang out with Greek heroes and philosophers for eternity such as Socrates and Plato.

But in all seriousness, I think Jesus hates the Christian God with a much greater passion than any Atheist ever could. To follow the teachings of Jesus really and truly, and the Ten Commandments, is to wield the biggest middle-finger to organized religion and Bible-thumpers than Atheism or any religion could ever dream of. Faith =/= religion. And the Merciful and Loving Lord and Universal Reconciliation that Jesus preaches truly shows how in the eyes of the Creator; his Mortal children are just that - children. Children can be assholes and downright evil but if Hell and Eternal Torment exists, it is because Satan wills it to be so, and with the Fire and Wrath of God where it truly belongs - within the heart of the soul - it is not only one's right, but one's duty to conquer them. I believe if Hell exists, so too does Universal Reconciliation, and that the Will of Man and God are one and the same, and the simple fact if that were too be real, one would have the power, through God, to overthrow the Kingdom of Satan and his Lies (the Bible, Dictatorships and Organized Religion) and free both living mortals and immortal souls from the Dictatorship of Satan - who many humans worship without realizing it.

If there was a Great Flood, it was Satan's doing.
If there was an extraterrestrial origin of Hatred of Homosexuals, Atheists, and followers of other Gods (which do exist, the Ten Commandments say so), it was Satan's doing.
Hell and Fear are Satan's doing.
The Bible is possibly even Satan's doing, but I think this one can be accredited to the Arrogance of Man-Children.
God is Love. Love is God. That is all. And yes, I do believe in God. Everything else is an illusion.

^^^^yup :thumbs:
 
My perspective may be a little different because I’ve had cause since October to ponder yet again my faith and, I hope, to grow in it through prayer and contemplation. As I type, one of my little sisters is dying of pancreatic cancer. Maybe today or perhaps in a few. She’s already “transitioning.”

She and her spouse are both Wiccans and, in fact, licensed pagan ministers while I am a practicing Christian. At first I was desperately concerned about the fate of my sister’s soul. She is an apostate. I have come to be reminded yet again, though, that all I can do is remain faithful in prayer and trust that our Father, who created my sister and loves her still, is God of mercy…of second chances.

Only God knows the hearts of His children. I always return in my thinking to Pope’s “Essay on Man” and his comments on the limits of humankind’s reasoning: “Say first, of God above, or man below,/What can we reason, but from what we know?/Of man what we see, but his station here,/From which to reason or to which refer?/Through worlds unnumber’d though the God be known,/’Tis ours to trace him only in our own.” An Essay on Man: Epistle I by Alexander Pope : The Poetry Foundation
 
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