Are atheists going to hell? [W:88]

Tim the plumber said:

Try Rotherham.

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There that, but then there is Hell, Michigan where hell freezes over

Tim the plumber said:

You have it worng.

There is a claim "hell exists" it needs support or it's drivel.

The default is that it's drivel unless there is some sort of evidence to support the claim.

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So then at one point the heliocentric model of the solar system/universe was drivel?

maquiscat said:

So then at one point the heliocentric model of the solar system/universe was drivel?

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Yes absolutely.

If you went back in time to ancient Rome and explained quantum theory you would be talking out or your arse. Just because you may have got it right by pure fluke does not change the fact that no confidence can be put in it due to the lack of supporting evidence.

Tim the plumber said:

Try Rotherham.

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I was going to say Slough, but fair enough.

Andalublue said:

I was going to say Slough, but fair enough.

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I've been to both.

Trust me Rotherham is vastly worse!

It has to be the place with the ugliest people in the world. The indigenous population is shockingly ugly as an average. The place is full of imigrants. They are also the ugliest people from all over the world. How does it do it???

If you are ever going through the place on the train just take a half hour to strole around the city centre. It will shock you!

Tim the plumber said:

I've been to both.

Trust me Rotherham is vastly worse!

It has to be the place with the ugliest people in the world. The indigenous population is shockingly ugly as an average. The place is full of imigrants. They are also the ugliest people from all over the world. How does it do it???

If you are ever going through the place on the train just take a half hour to strole around the city centre. It will shock you!

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My brother-in-law is a police inspector in Rotherham. I know the place and I may agree with you, although Slough depresses me more, probably because it doesn't have industrial decline and poverty as an excuse for its ugliness, mediocrity and utter lack of character. It's a rich town that seems positively smug about its inferiority.

maquiscat said:

Illogical. Lack of evidence is not proof of non existence.

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Lack of evidence is proof of non-existence. Otherwise any moronic idiotic claim would have to be considered true until there is evidence to refute its existence.

That's why I told another random idiot that my refrigerator must be controlling his life, and he was refusing to accept that my refrigerator is not controlling his life just because he could not prove that it doesn't.

Educate yourself.

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As an atheist, I really had to laugh at the title of this thread.

It's a little like starting a thread that says, "Are Christians/Muslims/Jews/Hindus/etc. wasting the only lives they have?"

Andalublue said:

That's interesting. Can you explain this? I've never heard of this movement.

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It's not a mass movement yet. If you research Millenials and Christianity you will come across a few articles that describe the general attitude of 20 to early 30 year olds... that they choose to disregard any Christian doctrine about hell (-- by the way, there is no Hell in the Bible --) and choose to evaluate their life experiences under a custom Christian lens that does not include Hell.

Just like their mothers disregarded the Catholic edict of birth control being an eternal sin -- which, it is not, because there is no sin.

RAMOSS said:

I see you have never been to Michigan.

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I've been to Nebraska

This doesn't make sense. Why couldn't people reject the Capital T Truth? Why are many sects of Christianity proof that there is no T truth? Why can't one - or maybe 2 - be right and all the others wrong?

Ikari said:

It's popularization and proliferation had everything to do with the King of England wanting a divorce and little to do with theological differences. As I said, if this were the Capital T Truth, there would be only one. But there are numerous sects of Christianity and most of them are based in someone along the line not liking the rules.

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Paralogic said:

Lack of evidence is proof of non-existence. Otherwise any moronic idiotic claim would have to be considered true until there is evidence to refute its existence.

That's why I told another random idiot that my refrigerator must be controlling his life, and he was refusing to accept that my refrigerator is not controlling his life just because he could not prove that it doesn't.

Educate yourself.

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Educate your own self. By your logic the lack of evidence for radiation, or heliocentric, radio waves, and oh so much more, means that thing never existed until there was evidence of them. A lack of evidence only mean that the existence of hell or whatever is extremely unlikely.

As to your little refrigerator example, the proof of the non-existence of its control on one's life comes from the proof of the existence of one's self control. Easy enough to prove, too. Write down in a sealed envelope a supposed control aspect the refrigerator exerts, in detail, and see if it occurs. Meanwhile the supposedly controlled person does the same. Quite easy to prove which one is the controller of the person. Mind you it still doesn't mean that there isn't a refrigerator out there that somehow control other people's lives. It just goes into the same category as Hell: highly improbable, but not impossible. We can only prove the negative when it comes to naming a specific refrigerator and only then providing the positive of the person controlling themselves.

Anything that exists generates its own evidence of said existence. However, that doesn't mean that such evidence is necessarily observed, understood to have been observed or is even comprehendable by the observer.