Experiment: For Atheists and Christians

Frank Apisa · Feb 10, 2016

Quag said:
Your claim is correct when written as I stated. Not sure why you refuse to modify your stance to the correct one.

My comment is correct as I stated it.

It is POSSIBLE there are gods; and it is POSSIBLE there are no gods.

Critter7r · Feb 10, 2016

Quag said:
Your claim is correct when written as I stated. Not sure why you refuse to modify your stance to the correct one.

Because nerdy grammar Nazis aside, you are both saying things with the same intent.

Quag · Feb 10, 2016

Critter7r said:
Because nerdy grammar Nazis aside, you are both saying things with the same intent.

It is not the same

Quag · Feb 10, 2016

Frank Apisa said:
My comment is correct as I stated it.

It is POSSIBLE there are gods; and it is POSSIBLE there are no gods.

You have just changed your statment

Frank Apisa · Feb 10, 2016

Quag said:
You have just changed your statment

Ntharotep started this excellent thread as “a good-natured thinking exercise.”

Out of respect for him and this thread…I think we should take our conversation to a thread devoted just to what we are discussing. So I’ve started one, titled: I assert that it is POSSIBLE there are gods…

I posted the first post…and it reads:

…it is also POSSIBLE that there are no gods.

Quag disagrees.

Rather than clog up the thread where we were discussing it, I am opening this new thread devoted specifically to that topic.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/246448-assert-possible-there-gods.html

RAMOSS · Feb 10, 2016

Frank Apisa said:
Yup...I have said that myself several times.

But until you ESTABLISH that it is impossible for gods to exist...

...it is POSSIBLE THEY EXIST...just as it is POSSIBLE they do not.

Jeez.

It IS possible that it might be possible for gods not to exist.

You really cannot let discussions of this sort get to you quite the way this one has gotten to you, Ramoss.

That isn't the same thing which I wrote.. I think you are totally misunderstanding the point. You see, something might be possible to exist but doesn't. Others than might not be possible to exist. There is a big difference in what you said and what I said.

Paralogic · Feb 10, 2016

Frank Apisa said:
There is no way you, I, nor anyone else in humanity KNOWS there are no gods. It is not logical nor reasonable to say that. What is logical and reasonable is: I do not know if there are gods or not.

You are wrong for about 2,500 years of recorded human history.

2,500 years ago humans were claiming gods were the reason natural events happened and no one had any argument against that unsubstantiated claim.

All that came to an end with Greek philosophers. They explained why an unsubstantiated claim should not be adapted as a justification for reality.

All that knowledge, unfortunately, came to a tragic end with the advent of Christianity (for the Western World) that drowned Western Civilization into a bottomless pool of ignorance for two thousand years... the results of which are evident in claims like yours.

Educate yourself.

Frank Apisa · Feb 11, 2016

RAMOSS said:
That isn't the same thing which I wrote.. I think you are totally misunderstanding the point. You see, something might be possible to exist but doesn't. Others than might not be possible to exist. There is a big difference in what you said and what I said.

No, you are the one who is misunderstanding.

But if you want to discuss the point any further...we will do it in one of these two threads...not here:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/246448-assert-possible-there-gods.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/philo...ss-thing-established-impossible-possible.html

Frank Apisa · Feb 11, 2016

Paralogic said:
You are wrong for about 2,500 years of recorded human history.

2,500 years ago humans were claiming gods were the reason natural events happened and no one had any argument against that unsubstantiated claim.

All that came to an end with Greek philosophers. They explained why an unsubstantiated claim should not be adapted as a justification for reality.

All that knowledge, unfortunately, came to a tragic end with the advent of Christianity (for the Western World) that drowned Western Civilization into a bottomless pool of ignorance for two thousand years... the results of which are evident in claims like yours.

Educate yourself.

Interesting way for you to say that you are unable to substantiate your assertion.

People like you jump on theists for asserting there is a "God" without substantiating that there is. But you have no trouble asserting there are no gods without substantiating that.

Educate yourself.

Critter7r · Feb 13, 2016

Quag said:
It is not the same

So, "It's possible that there are ... " is different from "it's possible that there could be ..." ?

I understand the grammatical difference, but in essence, and outside a grammar constructionist class, they are similar enough to not argue over.

Or maybe you were pointing out some other difference that I missed.

Quag · Feb 13, 2016

Critter7r said:
So, "It's possible that there are ... " is different from "it's possible that there could be ..." ?

I understand the grammatical difference, but in essence, and outside a grammar constructionist class, they are similar enough to not argue over.

Or maybe you were pointing out some other difference that I missed.

Yes and no, nothing like a muddled up argument.
This all came about because Frank stated

Unless a thing is established as impossible...it is possible.

We got into a back and forth about this as I said it should say

Unless a thing is established as impossible it could be possible.

To see the arguments why please see the thread
http://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/246448-assert-possible-there-gods.html

Basically I am having a gramatical argument with Frank and he appears to be trying ot have a philosophical one with me.