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How are poor people both human and subhuman?

I wonder how legit this is from "http://pranksters.com/" and its pretty self explanatory why the kid gets money and the adult doesnt.
 
Crovax said:
I wonder how legit this is from "http://pranksters.com/" and its pretty self explanatory why the kid gets money and the adult doesnt.
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Yup. The adult looks sketchy as Hell, and could presumably find some kind of work if he simply looked hard enough.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Please do.

Mid twenties, able-bodied, and sober? You aren't getting much sympathy from me.
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Oh yes, because most homeless men are able bodied, in there twenties, and not suffering from drug addiction.. :roll:
 
David_N said:
Oh yes, because most homeless men are able bodied, in there twenties, and not suffering from drug addiction.. :roll:
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The one in that video certainly didn't appear to be.

If drugs are the issue, that is, quite frankly, his own fault anyway.
 
Gathomas88 said:
The one in that video certainly didn't appear to be.

If drugs are the issue, that is, quite frankly, his own fault anyway.
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Homeless veterans are clearly responsible for their homelessness, and all drug addicts are wusses that should just man up and quit!
 
I've never been able to figure out which panhandlers really need help and which it is their way of living.
 
David_N said:
Homeless veterans are clearly responsible for their homelessness
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More or less, yes. :shrug:

For that matter, a hat that any person can pick up at a surplus store for around $10 hardly proves one to be a "veteran."

and all drug addicts are wusses that should just man up and quit!
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Or be wise enough not to allow themselves to become hooked in the first place.

It's really not that hard... For those of us who aren't complete and total wastes of human flesh.
 
Gathomas88 said:
The one in that video certainly didn't appear to be.

If drugs are the issue, that is, quite frankly, his own fault anyway.
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I don't think you realize that some are self-medicating as well as they can to overcome PTSD for veterans as well as others, mental illness that is not affordably or well regulated with healthcare level drugs, etc. In other words, as "bad" as addiction is, for some using it as self-medication, it's better and safer for the general public than if they were straight and sober.
 
Winchester said:
I've never been able to figure out which panhandlers really need help and which it is their way of living.
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Exactly. Elderly, clearly infirm, or half out of their mind? I'll give to those people.

A young and healthy person better damn well be able to spin me a good story, at the very least.
 
Summerwind said:
I don't think you realize that some are self-medicating as well as they can to overcome PTSD for veterans as well as others, mental illness that is not affordably or well regulated with healthcare level drugs, etc. In other words, as "bad" as addiction is, for some using it as self-medication, it's better and safer for the general public than if they were straight and sober.
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If they're a veteran, plenty of services are available to help them deal with PTSD.
 
Gathomas88 said:
More or less, yes. :shrug:

For that matter, a hat that any person can pick up at a surplus store for around $10 hardly proves one to be a "veteran."



Or be wise enough not to allow themselves to become hooked in the first place.

It's really not that hard... For those of us who aren't complete and total wastes of human flesh.
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You're seriously telling me most homeless veterans, and i mean actual homeless veterans, are responsible for their homelessness? I assure you the world is not that simple. LOL. You clearly don't understand drug addiction, people take drugs to escape from a ****ty life, take prescribed drugs and get addicted, drugs to escape pain.. Oh, I'm disgusted now. "Total wastes of human flesh" you're now trying to say drug addicts are wastes of human flesh. I'm sure you consider yourself a Christian..
 
Gathomas88 said:
If they're a veteran, plenty of services are available to help them deal with PTSD.
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Yeah, wouldn't that be nice. Reality bites many vets in the ass, I thought you knew that.
 
David_N said:
You're seriously telling me most homeless veterans, and i mean actual homeless veterans, are responsible for their homelessness?
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Unless you're a delusional schizophrenic who's been turned out of a clinic, the homeless are pretty legitimately responsible for their own condition. Simply speaking, better alternatives are always available.

A lot of the homeless simply choose not to make use of them.

I assure you the world is not that simple. LOL. You clearly don't understand drug addiction, people so drugs to escape from a ****ty life, take prescribed drugs and get addicted, drugs to escape pain..
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Don't. End of story. :shrug:

Oh, I'm disgusted now. "Total wastes of human flesh" you're now trying to say drug addicts are wastes of human flesh. I'm sure you consider yourself a Christian..
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I'm saying that, generally speaking, they're victims of their own, easily avoided, stupidity.
 
David_N said:
Yeah, and how effective are these services? What is the availability in rural areas? There are so many factors.
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More than effective enough to keep someone off the street, if they actually want to be off the street.

Summerwind said:
Yeah, wouldn't that be nice. Reality bites many vets in the ass, I thought you knew that.
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And I ain't sitting out on a street corner somewhere begging for money. I'm sorry, but there's really not much of an excuse for that.
 
Gathomas88 said:
More than effective enough to keep someone off the street, if they actually want to be off the street.



And I ain't sitting out on a street corner somewhere begging for money. I'm sorry, but there's really not much of an excuse for that.
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Your ignorance is so astounding as to make you irrelevant.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Unless you're a delusional schizophrenic who's been turned out of a clinic, the homeless are pretty legitimately responsible for their own condition. Simply speaking, better alternatives are always available.

A lot of the homeless simply choose not to make use of them.



Don't. End of story. :shrug:



I'm saying that, generally speaking, they're victims of their own, easily avoided, stupidity.
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"Better alternatives are always available."
What planet is this on?
There are plenty of good programs that the homeless utilize, but these programs hardly eliminate homelessness, and many don't have access to them. It doesn't help that people fight against programs that help the homeless, like providing housing. Jesus Christ, you can't sum up all drug use by saying "don't." Let me tell you a story. I had a cousin, let's call him JP, who had severe pain, he took pills to deal with the pain and he just couldn't stop, eventually, he killed himself. I suppose he should have just stopped. I'm sure Jesus would also think that most homeless people are victims of their own stupidity and need to be shamed. LOL.
 
David_N said:
"Better alternatives are always available."
What planet is this on?
There are plenty of good programs that the homeless utilize, but these programs hardly eliminate homelessness, and many don't have access to them. It doesn't help that people fight against programs that help the homeless, like providing housing. Jesus Christ, you can't sum up all drug use by saying "don't." Let me tell you a story. I had a cousin, let's call him JP, who had severe pain, he took pills to deal with the pain and he just couldn't stop, eventually, he killed himself. I suppose he should have just stopped. I'm sure Jesus would also think that most homeless people are victims of their own stupidity and need to be shamed. LOL.
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The long and short of the matter is that the primary reason for homelessness is the character flaws inherent to the homeless themselves. This always has been the case and always will be.

There are several examples of homeless persons straight up winning the lottery, for instance, just to be out on the street again a few months later, because they blew all of their money on drugs and other assorted nonsense. A wide variety of homeless shelters and homeless programs actually exist now. Most of the homeless choose not to use them, as they find the rules therein (i.e. no drugs or alcohol) overly restrictive. Meanwhile, housing projects tend to fail, because they almost instantly devolve into vicious crime ridden slums and drug dens.

No, I'm sorry, but those people do not have my sympathy. They're not "needy." They're self-destructive, and quite frankly, dangerous, misanthropes reaping the consequences of what they themselves have sown.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
The long and short of the matter is that the primary reason for homelessness is the character flaws inherent to the homeless themselves. This always has been the case and always will be.

There are several examples of homeless persons straight up winning the lottery, for instance, just to be out on the street again a few months later, because they blew all of their money on drugs and other assorted nonsense. Housing projects tend to fail, because they almost instantly devolve into vicious slums and drug dens. A wide variety of homeless shelters and homeless programs actually exist now. Most of the homeless choose not to use them, as they find the rules therein (i.e. no drugs or alcohol) overly restrictive.

No, I'm sorry, but those people do not have my sympathy. They're not "needy." They're self-destructive, and quite frankly, dangerous, misanthropes.
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I'm going to stay out of this before I lose my cool. You're WRONG and know nothing about homelessness, drug use, the state of programs..
 
David_N said:
I'm going to stay out of this before I lose my cool. You're WRONG and know nothing about homelessness, drug use, the state of programs..
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I have an uncle who's basically been a homeless drifter since the early 1980s. That is entirely his own fault.

He was a juvenile delinquent in his youth, who resorting to breaking and entering to try and fuel his drug habit. After a stint in juvenile prison, he flat out refused to get a job, and went back to his old habits instead. He's spent the last several decades in an alcoholic and drug infused haze, bouncing from place to place in South Florida. He's in his mid fifties now, but looks more like an anorexic mid sixties.

More of the homeless are like him than I think you'd like to admit.
 
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