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Noah's Flood versus Reality[W:366]

Re: Noah's Flood versus Reality

calamity said:
Uh, maybe it's because believing in magic is a rather immature and worrisome trait to find in a leader. See George W Bush for a perfect example of what is wrong with men of great faith ruining a country in a few short years.
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Actually, it wasn't Bush of Christian faith who ruined the country. It was Barak Saddam Hussein of MUSLIM faith who ****ed this place up.
 
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reason10 said:
Actually, it wasn't Bush of Christian faith who ruined the country. It was Barak Saddam Hussein of MUSLIM faith who ****ed this place up.
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Who was president when the towers fell, two wars were started and the economy crashed, Al Gore?

Conservatives have an amazing ability to shape a false reality in their own image. Explains the whole born again christian fundamentalism. That's for sure.
 
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calamity said:
Who was president when the towers fell, two wars were started and the economy crashed, Al Gore?

Conservatives have an amazing ability to shape a false reality in their own image. Explains the whole born again christian fundamentalism. That's for sure.
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Clinton caused those towers to fall. ACORN created the crashed economy.

And Obama turned it into the worst economy in history.
Only a total ****ing idiot thinks otherwise.
 
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reason10 said:
Clinton caused those towers to fall. ACORN created the crashed economy.

And Obama turned it into the worst economy in history.
Only a total ****ing idiot thinks otherwise.
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Clinton and Acorn? That makes about as much sense as saying marine fossils on mountains prove the biblical flood.
 
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reason10 said:
So you think anyone who goes to church is deluded? You think the POPE is deluded?
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In short, yes; I lack a belief in delusions. Convince me otherwise.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
And socialists aren't?
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If you can demonstrate that they are then yes.

Frankly, I think that people that put their faith in the market and make a god of laissez-faire economics are pretty deluded but, that's hardly the topic of discussion is it?
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Self-referential rubbish. Next!

You have no "proof" other than a borrowed myth that the flood happened. There is overwhelming evidence that it did not..
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It's the old "borrowed myth' swill. How do you know that story itself wasn't taken from Noah and/or his descendants? You don't. You just parrot whatever you hear that you swallow whole.
 
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calamity said:
Simple, Democrats of Faith are a lot like the people I grew up with who tailored their beliefs to fit reality. Republicans, OTOH, tailor reality to match their faith, like denying evolution or claiming that marine fossils at high altitude prove a global flood. Big difference.
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The Republicans have given evangelicals more power and influence than they deserve.
So if ya want to get that vote, well you know how it goes.
Each party has that grouping that is disproportionate to the amount of votes they can provide.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
What's funnier is people who call neurosurgeons that develop cutting edge life-saving surgery techniques, "morons."

Ben Carson is a smart as they come. He's also religious. But, so what? Most scientists are to some extent. And, so are most Presidents, such as Obama who sat for years on the front row at church listening to Rev. Wright preach creationism. Obama even called Wright his "spiritual mentor."

Anyone who is in anyway spiritual is in the same boat with Carson. As an atheist, I shake my head when I hear anyone talk of praying, taking communion, thinking virgins await them if they die a martyr or anything else superstitious. But, I'm not shallow enough to call any of them morons, especially not someone as demonstrably intelligent as Carson.
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Where I come from that is called tolerance and using your head for something other than a hat rack.
 
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Logicman said:
It's the old "borrowed myth' swill. How do you know that story itself wasn't taken from Noah and/or his descendants? You don't. You just parrot whatever you hear that you swallow whole.
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We do have recovered texts that are far older than any words from the Old Testament, which just might be an indicator that the Flood is a "borrowed myth"
 
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Cephus said:
I find faith ridiculous in everyone without exception. However, there is a difference between someone who professes faith to get votes and someone who really buys into this crap and thinks it's real. No one who thinks they have Jesus whispering in their ear or thinks that God created the universe is qualified to be dog catcher, much less President of the United States. If that means 70% of Americans are unqualified, you're probably right.
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Evidence and Theories of a Great Flood - HowStuffWorks

In the late 1990s, Columbia University geologists William Ryan and Walter Pitman proposed that a great flood in the Middle East resulted from rising water levels at the end of the last Ice Age about 7,000 years ago. At that time, the Black Sea was a freshwater lake and the lands around it were farmlands. When the European glaciers melted, the Mediterranean Sea overflowed with a force 200 times greater than that of Niagara Falls, converting the Black Sea from fresh to saltwater and flooding the area [source: National Geographic].

Masse's presumption is that a 3-mile (4.8-kilometer) wide comet crashed into the ocean off the coast of what is now Madagascar. The result? Worldwide chaos, including violent 600-foot (182.8-meter) high tsunamis and massive hurricanes spawned when superheated water vapor and aerosol particulates shot into jet streams. All of this terror was accompanied by a week of darkness caused by material expelled into the atmosphere
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jet57 said:
The only problem with religion is dogma. That little circle is the seat of religious dogma. If you go outside of it, you fall of the edge of the world.
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No, and a narrow minded position. To think we all are that dogmatic. Really
 
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William Rea said:
In short, yes; I lack a belief in delusions. Convince me otherwise.
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No need to, you would need faith. Why waste the time?
 
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Somerville said:
We do have recovered texts that are far older than any words from the Old Testament, which just might be an indicator that the Flood is a "borrowed myth"
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Borrowed myth or borrowed fact?
 
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ecofarm said:
I figure the flood was a localized event, a rising of seawater in the Fertile Crescent, probably resulting from a volcanic
eruption/tsunami. As this covered the known area of the oral historians, it was presumed to be world-wide. Two of each animal is presumably farm animals (cows, goats, sheep, chickens...), allowing continued animal husbandry and thus farming (manure for fertilizer) after the waters subsided.

Pretty simple, pretty obvious.
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Any interpretation of Biblical "stories" require great, long term study with the idea that the Bible is the collection of stories, plural, of man's relationship to God, not God's relationship to man.

It is a literary work. It has poetry, verse, song, mystery and yes, fiction. The writers of the Bible used literary technique to get and hold the attention of children in the telling of oral stories while a people was wandering four decades in a desert.

Was there a flood? There is evidence of one, for sure. Did it cover the planet, I doubt it. Was Noah's the only boat, impossible as there were many sea going peoples, not the least of which was the Shang Dynasty in Asia.

It is part of a series of stories the Hebrews used to connect to and understand their God. It is not a book of laws, as some people say we must live by every word, and fails to take into account the hundreds of inconsistencies.


Expertise on the Bible requires decades of study, not one reading, which puts critics in very bad shape since most of them have never done more than read a passage.
 
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JANFU said:
The Republicans have given evangelicals more power and influence than they deserve.
So if ya want to get that vote, well you know how it goes.
Each party has that grouping that is disproportionate to the amount of votes they can provide.
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Exactly true. One reason I identify as Centrist is that I can't stand the disproportionate influence powerful special interests have in either party. But, IMO, the spin on reality coming from Evangelical Christians, who have somehow managed to get their paws into the methods used for teaching biology in public school systems, is far more scary than, say, the LGBT pushing for same sex marriage, general acceptance and anti-hate legislation.

The researchers examined data from the National Survey of High School Biology Teachers, a representative sample of 926 public high school biology instructors. They found only about 28 percent of those teachers consistently implement National Research Council recommendations calling for introduction of evidence that evolution occurred...

In contrast, Berkman and Plutzer found that about 13 percent of biology teachers "explicitly advocate creationism or intelligent design by spending at least one hour of class time presenting it in a positive light." ...

Berkman and Plutzer dubbed the remaining teachers the "cautious 60 percent," ...

Read more at: High school biology teachers reluctant to endorse evolution in class
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So, instead of teachers passing on to kids state of the art information like plate tectonics which show how marine fossils reach the peaks of Everest or discussing genetics which shows the amazing similarity between humans and bonobos, we end up with teachers shaking in their boots at the thought of even mentioning the name Darwin. Maybe, I'm a rare bird in seeing this as a bigger problem than boys kissing each other.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
So, if I catch the drift of your argument, you'd rather have a President who lies to you and has contempt for your intelligence and integrity than have a President who has a faith belief you ridicule but who lives their life under the principles and morals of that faith but doesn't extend those faith beliefs to modern policy?
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No, I'd rather have a President who accepts reality for what it actually is and doesn't have to believe in unsupported, absurd things.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
Granted, of the two, the former has already set a precedent of lying.
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True, but let's be honest, you know politicians are lying because their lips are moving.
 
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Logicman said:
It's the old "borrowed myth' swill. How do you know that story itself wasn't taken from Noah and/or his descendants? You don't. You just parrot whatever you hear that you swallow whole.
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There are similar stories preceding the biblical one containing the hogwash details. If your story is true, where did gonorrhea come from? Noah or his wife? Every single disease presently in humans must have been carried by Noah or his family, according to your myth.
 
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JANFU said:
Evidence and Theories of a Great Flood - HowStuffWorks
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Absolutely none of that supports the flood, as depicted in the Bible. The Bible clearly depicts a worldwide flood, you cannot have all of the high mountains covered without it. There are lots of apologists who realize that the Bible is clearly wrong (although they won't admit it) and try to make the best of it by seeking out other explanations that do not fit with the description in the Bible. But if we can't trust the Bible writers to accurately depict something that we can test, how the hell can we take them seriously when they're talking about things we can't test?

It's all a load of nonsense and only delusional morons fall for it.
 
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Cephus said:
Absolutely none of that supports the flood, as depicted in the Bible. The Bible clearly depicts a worldwide flood, you cannot have all of the high mountains covered without it. There are lots of apologists who realize that the Bible is clearly wrong (although they won't admit it) and try to make the best of it by seeking out other explanations that do not fit with the description in the Bible. But if we can't trust the Bible writers to accurately depict something that we can test, how the hell can we take them seriously when they're talking about things we can't test?

It's all a load of nonsense and only delusional morons fall for it.
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Well hate to tell you this, but I am not a literalist when it comes to the Bible.
 
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