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Ancient Herald

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If sex is for procreation only, why did god make it feel so good and why did he make the process so damned inefficient?

You guys do know that sex and pain of child birth is actually a punishment for Eve eating the apple, don't you?

So if it is a punishment then why should it be for procreation only?

And he could have made it more efficient by have an equal number of female eggs for each sperm that a male produces, and would have a one hundred percent birth rate.
 
That's because no god made sex. So. . . . . yeah, this is awkward.
 
Ancient Herald said:
If sex is for procreation only, why did god make it feel so good and why did he make the process so damned inefficient?
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So people would want to have more of it, and therefore produce children?

From an evolutionary and behavioral perspective, the "inefficiency" of single matings with regards to producing offspring is generally thought of as being a mechanism to encourage pair bonding, which is desirable because two parents tend to be more effective in childrearing than one.

You guys do know that sex and pain of child birth is actually a punishment for Eve eating the apple, don't you?
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That was how the ancients explained its existence (along with the necessity of work, the existence of evil and disease, and etca), yes. Modern interpretations tend to be a lot less severe, however.

And he could have made it more efficient by have an equal number of female eggs for each sperm that a male produces, and would have a one hundred percent birth rate.
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We couldn't sustain a 100% birth rate.
 
the story of adam and eve originates from the egyptian stories of Geb and Nut. According to the Egyptians Nut spoke to the god of wisdom against gods will, in order to trick god into letting her have kids, so as a punishment for breaking gods rules women receive childbirth pains

He decreed, "Nut shall not give birth any day of the year." At that time, the year was only 360 days. Nut spoke to Thoth, god of wisdom, and he had a plan. Thoth gambled with Khonsu, god of the moon, whose light rivalled that of Ra's. Every time Khonsu lost, he had to give Thoth some of his moonlight. Khonsu lost so many times that Thoth had enough moonlight to make 5 extra days. Since these days were not part of the year, Nut could have her children. She had five children: Osiris, later ruler of the gods and then god of the dead, Horus the Elder, god of war, Set, god of evil and wastelands, Isis, goddess of magic, and Nephthys, goddess of water. When Ra found out, he was furious. He separated Nut from her husband Geb for eternity.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nut_(goddess)
 
DDD said:
Elaborate please?
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i'm not very good at elaborating, so i hope this can help:

Why did God punish women with pain in childbirth (Genesis 3:16)?
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Answer: A woman’s pain in childbirth is part of the suffering brought into the world through sin. As a direct result of the original sin, Adam, Eve, and the serpent were all cursed in one way or another. Genesis 3:16 lists one of the judgments for Eve’s sin as pain in childbirth: “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.”

It appears that, even before the fall, there would have been some pain in childbirth. God says, “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth” (ESV), using a Hebrew word meaning “to increase.” The pain of childbirth would be more than before. The pain was amplified.

The pain in childbirth that Eve and all her daughters would experience involved more than the actual delivery of the baby. The phrase “painful labor” indicates that the whole process of childbirth, from conception to delivery, would include much difficulty.

This judgment from God was meant to be one that every childbearing woman would experience. Pain in childbirth was placed on Eve and on every future mother. This pain serves as a universal reminder of God’s judgment for the sin Adam and Eve brought into the world.
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DDD said:
And this ancient old people's opinion is suppose to support and stand as proof that this "god" concept really exists? Following that, it is suppose to prove that it can create and has created two people itself and has arranged silly laws that they must abide or else this is the punishment?
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I'm not presenting it as proof, i am presenting as an informal discussion.
 
Ancient Herald said:
I'm not presenting it as proof, i am presenting as an informal discussion.
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I see,

The previous position:

You guys do know that sex and pain of child birth is actually a punishment for Eve eating the apple, don't you?
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Seemed more like an assertion so had to ask on what did the premise stood on.

If it is just an informal discussion then I attribute the pains to biological causes during labor.
 
Ancient Herald said:
If sex is for procreation only, why did god make it feel so good and why did he make the process so damned inefficient?

You guys do know that sex and pain of child birth is actually a punishment for Eve eating the apple, don't you?

So if it is a punishment then why should it be for procreation only?

And he could have made it more efficient by have an equal number of female eggs for each sperm that a male produces, and would have a one hundred percent birth rate.
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Oh. It's because God was a man.
 
zyzygy said:
It's a story from an old work of fiction.
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As long as it is just a informal discussion I do not see a biggy with that much. We could informally discuss such fictional nonsense too.

Like for instance: Might the women's pain in labor be a biological answer to men dozens or more curses that he made to her from previous frustrations that he may have had with her prior to impregnation?

If its not a good informal discussion you could perhaps come up with something better? :)
 
DDD said:
As long as it is just a informal discussion I do not see a biggy with that much. We could informally discuss such fictional nonsense too.

Like for instance: Might the women's pain in labor be a biological answer to men dozens or more curses that he made to her from previous frustrations that he may have had with her prior to impregnation?

If its not a good informal discussion you could perhaps come up with something better? :)
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I don't think that stories in an old book or curses have anything to do with labour pains. They are caused by something called nature.
 
zyzygy said:
I don't think that stories in an old book or curses have anything to do with labour pains. They are caused by something called nature.
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True,

But I guess in a mere informal discussion anything goes.
 
DDD said:
True,

But I guess in a mere informal discussion anything goes.
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Fair enough. I'm all in favour of informality.Is it possible that labour pains are caused by the planet Mars?
 
zyzygy said:
Fair enough. I'm all in favour of informality.Is it possible that labour pains are caused by the planet Mars?
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Well, both the color of Mars, blood, and the color red indicates pain, so maybe...
 
I've learned a lot from this thread. I didn't even know you could get pregnant from eating an apple. Seriously though, I heard that Eve shouldn't have eaten that apple but what about sex? Were Adam and Eve supposed to have sex or was that forbidden too? I mean, God could have just ripped out some more ribs to use for children. Seriously again, I find it hard to believe that God would give Adam and Eve functioning bodies but they weren't supposed to eat. Not common sense but I guess when it comes to faith, common sense is thrown to the wind. I still believe that the immaculate conception is the greatest hoax ever told.
 
Ancient Herald said:
If sex is for procreation only, why did god make it feel so good and why did he make the process so damned inefficient?

You guys do know that sex and pain of child birth is actually a punishment for Eve eating the apple, don't you?

So if it is a punishment then why should it be for procreation only?

And he could have made it more efficient by have an equal number of female eggs for each sperm that a male produces, and would have a one hundred percent birth rate.
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Whoever said that sex was for procreation only?

Sex was never a punishment for The Fall.

The pain of childbirth wasn't a punishment, it was the expected outcome of stepping out from God's protection. Like getting soaked in a rainstorm because you refused to use an umbrella isn't a punishment, it's simply what happens when go out into the rain sans umbrella.

"Efficiency"??? You have a very small egg in a very large womb (relatively speaking), so having whole lot of sperm to cover all that territory is a pretty good idea.
 
faithful_servant said:
Whoever said that sex was for procreation only?

Sex was never a punishment for The Fall.

The pain of childbirth wasn't a punishment, it was the expected outcome of stepping out from God's protection. Like getting soaked in a rainstorm because you refused to use an umbrella isn't a punishment, it's simply what happens when go out into the rain sans umbrella.

"Efficiency"??? You have a very small egg in a very large womb (relatively speaking), so having whole lot of sperm to cover all that territory is a pretty good idea.
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That is the stance of the catholic Church.

And, i don't agree with you.
 
Sex is for procreation, but we, using science, have turned it into a viable recreational past time, as well. You see, we want to indulge our desires, like eating fatty or sweet foods, and having lots and lots of sex. We have a means of (more or less) controlling our bodies ability to procreate, so, sex is...fairly....harmless. Once we fix the disease issue, you can be certain that each generation following will be much much more sexually liberal.

If we had some sort of pill that made us not get fat or diabetes, we'd all be eating bacon and chocolate like it was an olympic sport, too.
 
That I can't fault you for.

And indulging in our desires is not necessarily a bad thing.

But like anything else in this great big old world of ours, we should be careful in our indulgences as too much of it causes damage and other assorted health problems. People ca die from alcohol poisoning as but one example.
 
Ancient Herald said:
That I can't fault you for.

And indulging in our desires is not necessarily a bad thing.

But like anything else in this great big old world of ours, we should be careful in our indulgences as too much of it causes damage and other assorted health problems. People ca die from alcohol poisoning as but one example.
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I agree, but we seem to be finding ways to allow ourselves greater feats of self indulgence without suffering the would be consequences.

As evidenced by how much more body fat americans are carrying around today, as opposed to 50 years ago...and as evidenced by the number of abortions/morning after pills/other forms of birth control in use.

It's not all bad, no. I mean, I would hate to have to be afraid knocking my wife up EVERY time we have sex (not that THAT'S all that common anymore, LOL!), but at the same time, I think that there SHOULD be SOME form of...consequence, for overindulgence.

Take a hangover, for instance. Me? I don't take asperin, or anything else. I deal with the hangover, because that stands as a reminder to me to not go over board again. I'm not sure a world without consequences for doing such things would be such a great place to live, you know?

Like, getting hammered is only really fun, because you DON'T do it every weekend. I imagine that getting drunk all the time will cause it to lose it's luster. Just like having too much sex would do the same, and too much candy/bacon/butter, etc.

I don't know. Just my musings.
 
Ancient Herald said:
If sex is for procreation only, why did god make it feel so good and why did he make the process so damned inefficient?

You guys do know that sex and pain of child birth is actually a punishment for Eve eating the apple, don't you?

So if it is a punishment then why should it be for procreation only?

And he could have made it more efficient by have an equal number of female eggs for each sperm that a male produces, and would have a one hundred percent birth rate.
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start a kama sutra thread
 
KevinKohler said:
I agree, but we seem to be finding ways to allow ourselves greater feats of self indulgence without suffering the would be consequences.

As evidenced by how much more body fat americans are carrying around today, as opposed to 50 years ago...and as evidenced by the number of abortions/morning after pills/other forms of birth control in use.

It's not all bad, no. I mean, I would hate to have to be afraid knocking my wife up EVERY time we have sex (not that THAT'S all that common anymore, LOL!), but at the same time, I think that there SHOULD be SOME form of...consequence, for overindulgence.

Take a hangover, for instance. Me? I don't take asperin, or anything else. I deal with the hangover, because that stands as a reminder to me to not go over board again. I'm not sure a world without consequences for doing such things would be such a great place to live, you know?

Like, getting hammered is only really fun, because you DON'T do it every weekend. I imagine that getting drunk all the time will cause it to lose it's luster. Just like having too much sex would do the same, and too much candy/bacon/butter, etc.

I don't know. Just my musings.
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you know, in your statement of greater feats of indulgements, i can see a huge downside to indulging.

But i don't know how to explain it.
 
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