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Sex

Ancient Herald said:
And indulging in our desires is not necessarily a bad thing.
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
 
Ancient Herald said:
If sex is for procreation only, why did god make it feel so good and why did he make the process so damned inefficient?

You guys do know that sex and pain of child birth is actually a punishment for Eve eating the apple, don't you?

So if it is a punishment then why should it be for procreation only?

And he could have made it more efficient by have an equal number of female eggs for each sperm that a male produces, and would have a one hundred percent birth rate.
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God enjoys ****ing with people. :)
 
Logicman said:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
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Sounds like a pretty boring place to me.
 
Logicman said:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
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And yet Lot's two daughters got him drunk and had incest with him and God pproved of that because of be fruitful and multiply.

And of course, King Solomon had 700 wives.

And Saint Amon raped his sister.

And the favored ones sacked and destroyed every single blade of grass, man, woman, child, and all live stock in Canaan.

And Jesus turned water into wine.

so on and so forth.

The Bible is entirely Newtonian. For every Bible verse there is an equal but opposite Bible verse.
 
Ancient Herald said:
And yet Lot's two daughters got him drunk and had incest with him and God pproved of that because of be fruitful and multiply.
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Show me where God approved of Lot sleeping with his daughters?

Ancient Herald said:
And of course, King Solomon had 700 wives.
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Which God didn't approve of (Deuteronomy 17:17).

Ancient Herald said:
so on and so forth.

The Bible is entirely Newtonian. For every Bible verse there is an equal but opposite Bible verse.
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It appears your rendition of various events needs a lot of work.
 
Logicman said:
Show me where God approved of Lot sleeping with his daughters?



Which God didn't approve of (Deuteronomy 17:17).



It appears your rendition of various events needs a lot of work.
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no that would be yours.

That's the thing about ALL religious people. They are incapable of objectivity or fairness, and every single one of thinks that they, and absolutely ONLY they, have the one true correct interpretation and everybody else has to agree with them.
 
Ancient Herald said:
If sex is for procreation only, why did god make it feel so good and why did he make the process so damned inefficient?

You guys do know that sex and pain of child birth is actually a punishment for Eve eating the apple, don't you?

So if it is a punishment then why should it be for procreation only?

And he could have made it more efficient by have an equal number of female eggs for each sperm that a male produces, and would have a one hundred percent birth rate.
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If food is for nutrition only, then why did God make it feel so good?
 
Ancient Herald said:
That is the stance of the catholic Church.

And, i don't agree with you.
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No. The stance of the Catholic Church is that it is for procreation and unity of the spouses. The Church has never, ever said that every sexual act should produce children. That's not the same as saying that it's okay to frustrate the natural end of sex, however.
 
Ancient Herald said:
no that would be yours.

That's the thing about ALL religious people. They are incapable of objectivity or fairness, and every single one of thinks that they, and absolutely ONLY they, have the one true correct interpretation and everybody else has to agree with them.
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Well we know one thing, as demonstrated in the following post (http://www.debatepolitics.com/philo...7991-sex-post1065185959.html#post1065185959): You don't have the answers and your Biblical theology is about as bad as it gets.

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faithful_servant said:
I don't know what the Catholic Church teaches, but the Bible takes a substantially different stance that what you are claiming. Read the Song of Solomon - it's almost all about sex.
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Therefore what? The Church has never said that sex cannot be enjoyable or pleasurable.
 
phattonez said:
Therefore what? The Church has never said that sex cannot be enjoyable or pleasurable.
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We're on the same page here. The OP was the one claiming that the Catholic Church stance is that it's only for procreation. I'm not a Catholic, so I don't what they believe/teach, but I do know that the Bible is clear that sex is fun, that is was designed to be fun and that we should be having fun with it...
 
faithful_servant said:
We're on the same page here. The OP was the one claiming that the Catholic Church stance is that it's only for procreation. I'm not a Catholic, so I don't what they believe/teach, but I do know that the Bible is clear that sex is fun, that is was designed to be fun and that we should be having fun with it...
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You seem to have a far better picture than most anti-Catholic commentators. There is nothing stuff or boring about sex from the Catholic perspective. All that is insisted is that the procreative nature of sex not be intentionally stifled.
 
Wow, lots of Catholic comments here. I was brought up Catholic and have no idea what we were supposed to think about sex. I didn't pay a lot of attention in those classes, though.

Pretty sure what we were thinking wasn't what they were teaching, though.
 
If sex were just about procreation then humans would go through estrous like other animals who only mate when ovulation time is present (like deer). Humans have sex year round even in the absence of ideal reproductive conditions.

If sex were just about procreation, then people wouldn't still be doing it past middle age when the chances of having a kid are non-existent.

Fact is, sex serves a social and bonding function in humans. It's also a great stress reliever. All our primate relatives do it for fun too, regardless if it's ovulation time or not.
 
Ancient Herald said:
I'm not presenting it as proof, i am presenting as an informal discussion.
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An informal discussion around Judeo-Christian written tradition about sex would need to begin with a garden of Eden, a snake, the girl eating something, the girl giving the guy something to eat, and the Gardener getting rather upset about these children behaving badly.

Since the girl started it she will hurt.

Since the guy did not know better he gets kicked out with her.

Question is what happened to the garden? Was there no one to take care of it afterwards? Did it just grow over with undergrowth?

I have noticed that Mohenjo Daro is the most likely geographic location for it since it is the only place on a river with 4 heads.

This original sin concept has always struck me as double talk to get people scared enough to make donations to their organized religions.

Some of them want much more money from you than others. I would stick with the affordable ones not the expensive ones.

As far as Moses the author of the story goes, he was a retired prince of Egypt who got early retirement for angering the Pharaoh for some reason, or else it was envy on the Pharaoh's part.

Now he was leading this troop of 500,000 or more Hebrew speaking peoples (12 tribes of them) out into the desert.

Not sure why he felt he needed a story about a garden, a snake, a girl and a guy, and an angry Gardener.

He could have started with the birth of the God(s) like the ancient Greeks did instead.

Once you create your God(s) then the humans naturally follow as objects of the God(s)' amusement and entertainment.

That at least explains the big picture -- why there are humans and where do the God(s) come from.

Moses' story does not give us any idea of where the God(s) come from. It is an incomplete story.

Women don't need men to survive -- the ancient Amazons of southern Russia proved that much.

But men would go extinct without women.

Perhaps to ensure survival the God(s) made the allure of women irresistible to men.

That's probably why it feels so good -- almost as good as food or water or alcohol.
 
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Alyssa T. said:
Wow, lots of Catholic comments here. I was brought up Catholic and have no idea what we were supposed to think about sex. I didn't pay a lot of attention in those classes, though.

Pretty sure what we were thinking wasn't what they were teaching, though.
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Catholicism is a beautiful religion which centers on the hearth and motherhood. Every year the Christmas mass is a celebration of childbirth and familyhood.

Joseph and Mary were the perfect parents and with Jesus they became a loving family.

The Church wants boys and girls to abstain from sex until they are old enough to support a family and raise children. Makes perfect sense.

The Church wants youths and maidens to marry and raise their children Catholic.

The Church wants large families.

Sex is the unspeakable thing which priests and nuns may not have but which husbands and wives cannot resist if they are normal and mainstream.

Celibacy in the priesthood dates back to 1000 A.D. shortly before The Great Schism split from the Eastern Orthodox Church. The Eastern church does not practice celibacy for priests, only bishops and above.

Thus in the Eastern church sex is not as unspeakable as in the Latin western Church.
 
zyzygy said:
I don't think that stories in an old book or curses have anything to do with labour pains. They are caused by something called nature.
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Actually they are caused by humans ridiculously large brain cavity causing a babies skull to be far larger than the opening. If only we were not so smart, birthing would be easier.
 
Riveroaks said:
Catholicism is a beautiful religion which centers on the hearth and motherhood. Every year the Christmas mass is a celebration of childbirth and familyhood.

Joseph and Mary were the perfect parents and with Jesus they became a loving family.

The Church wants boys and girls to abstain from sex until they are old enough to support a family and raise children. Makes perfect sense.

The Church wants youths and maidens to marry and raise their children Catholic.

The Church wants large families.

Sex is the unspeakable thing which priests and nuns may not have but which husbands and wives cannot resist if they are normal and mainstream.

Celibacy in the priesthood dates back to 1000 A.D. shortly before The Great Schism split from the Eastern Orthodox Church. The Eastern church does not practice celibacy for priests, only bishops and above.

Thus in the Eastern church sex is not as unspeakable as in the Latin western Church.
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Yep, a lot of that sounds very familiar. Funny you mentioned that part about the church wanting the parents to bring up their kids as Catholics, because my dad wasn't a Catholic and had to have an interview with my mom's priest. My dad had to swear that he would allow any future kids to be brought up Catholic, and only then was he given the OK to marry my mom. Crazy. If he said "no" then they would not have been allowed to get married at all.
 
Alyssa T. said:
Yep, a lot of that sounds very familiar. Funny you mentioned that part about the church wanting the parents to bring up their kids as Catholics, because my dad wasn't a Catholic and had to have an interview with my mom's priest. My dad had to swear that he would allow any future kids to be brought up Catholic, and only then was he given the OK to marry my mom. Crazy. If he said "no" then they would not have been allowed to get married at all.
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Marrying a Catholic woman is the smartest thing my father ever did. Yours too probably.

Catholic marriages last longer than any others. And I suppose that is a good thing.
 
Riveroaks said:
Marrying a Catholic woman is the smartest thing my father ever did. Yours too probably.

Catholic marriages last longer than any others. And I suppose that is a good thing.
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Yep, my parents have been together for like 40 years or more. It has been a very good marriage, with the usual ups and downs, but the love and respect they have has so far weathered every storm of life. They are a very good team together. Gives me hope.
 
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