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Paranormal experience? [W:138]

Have you ever experienced something you just could not logically explain, but was ver

  • Yes, and it reenforced what I already thought.

    Votes: 9 22.5%

  • Yes, and it was a mind bender, and was completely unexpected.

    Votes: 11 27.5%

  • No, but I hope to one day

    Votes: 4 10.0%

  • Never, this is all complete nonsense.

    Votes: 16 40.0%
  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .
CLAX1911 said:
If you have none you are depraved. None of your blather is an argument. It's stating pointless information that doesn't pertain to the discussion.
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You stick to your limited one-liner so you don't lie to yourself! LOL

You started down this road. Don't start whining about it, now.


So?
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That means your responses to empathy aren't universal. If someone's response isn't the same as yours that doesn't make them depraved or mentally ill.


Thats some granola muncher garbage right there.
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Try reading some game theory. Lots of corporations use it every day to make business decisions. Governments use it to create scenarios for talks. It's used in many other ways, as well, especially in biology and sociology when studying animal and human behavior. You can call "balance" garbage all you want but the world is against your opinion.


Life is about survival.
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I hate to break this to you but none of us gets out of here alive. You can fight and scratch and claw and kill but in the end you're just as dead.


I honestly don't think I'm evolved beyond man kind.
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You've posted enough that I can second your opinion of yourself.


Why? I think that way? Am I some firm of new higher evolved version of a human? it is only a fantasy because you are conditioned to believe it is.
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Higher evolved? To take personal flights of fancy? Nah, people do that all the time - but most people don't take flights of fancy seriously. For you to take your flights of fancy seriously doesn't make you more advanced at all.

Conditioned to believe - like you're supposed to feel bad about killing? That's conditioning. LOL


I have been telling you this over and over when you rattle on about what you believe. You tell me this and I bet you rattle about your opinions in another post.
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So now you think all I do is rattle??? Interesting that you're answering then, isn't it? What does that say about you? Must be some boring life if you're responding to a rattle.

And responding, no less, with nothing more than your own opinion. You're really stuck on the pot and kettle thing, aren't you?


Bull**** our entire society is built and maintained on subjective morality. Also law reflects subjective morality as you stated when you rattled about castle doctrine.
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Reality check! Our society is built and maintained by force. If you don't get that then you're more lost than I thought.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Can you please make an argument that doesn't require ad hominem?

You said you were alive during Vietnam. Grow up.
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Yeah, because saying I "abandoned my mistake" (which isnt' what happened and you know it) is SOOOO grown up! :lamo


I have thought extensively about this.
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Really? What thinking is required to prove the sky is blue? If a ball rolls off a table, what thinking is required to note "the ball rolled off the table"? Those are observations, they don't take thinking, just recording. A video camera could do as much. So unless you think video cams and cameras are somehow thinking, then it doesn't require thinking to record a fact.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Lol, 35 miles an hour plus 3 to 4 tons of steel is a massive amount of energy. People get seriously injured even killed in those type of car accidents.
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Doesn't change the fact that MOST, which is what I said, fatalities are above 35 MPH - most are actually well above 35 MPH.

BTW - Most vehicles don't even come close to 3 tons of steel, most aren't even 2 tons let alone 4 tons. A fully loaded (doesn't exceed GVWT) 3/4 ton Suburban comes in under 4 tons, though it does exceed 3 tons. But fully loaded Suburbans aren't all that common.


The DOT has recorded many accidents occurring with cars that drove themselves? Without a driver they just sit in a parking lot. They are just hunks of metal.

The understanding of an average 3 year old's reasoning says I am right on this score.

And the DOT doesn't really say cars kill people. They can't drive themselves.
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It would take a 3 year old to believe that some cars aren't more safe than others.


I've heard of cars slipping out of park, and I assume they could hit somebody, but the vast majority of car accidents have drivers that were not operating the vehicle safely.
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So, when your theoretical "unsafe driver" hits my car and I don't die because my car has crush zones, that isn't any different then if I did die because my car didn't have the crush zones to absorb the impact?

I'm no safer because of those crush zones even though I would have died without them? :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's actually instinctual to preserve ones life.
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So killing is wrong but it's instinctual to preserve ones life? Sounds like someone is trying to deny human nature. I'm glad you finally figured that out.

It takes conditioning to believe killing in and of itself is wrong. Not everyone is conditioned the same as you.


Most People do, society exists because of that.
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Society exists because of what? Their agreement with your opinion?!? :lol:


I think you misunderstand. You do feel the same way I do. I believe it's evolutionary. Though still quite subjective.
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But I don't feel the same way as you as this discussion has shown. And I'm inclined to believe it's more to do with environment than evolution, in most cases. Certainly the idea that killing is wrong isn't evolutionary.


Yes, I agree. And if you don't have empathy you are said to be anti-social. Don't get mad at me, that's the mental health profession that says that.

Actually not having empathy is considered a mental illness. It's referred to as anti-social disorder.
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Just because you don't have empathy for one event doesn't mean you don't have empathy for another. You apparently just don't see that, no doubt because you believe your empathy to be (more or less) universal, which is crap.

Again, not talking about a complete lack of empathy, I am (and have been) talking about a different response. I don't feel much empathy for the guy working out in the rain because I've been there and it made me a better person. You, on the other hand, might hate the rain and feel a great deal of empathy for him, sad because he has to work in the rain. My reaction to the situation, a lack of empathy, doesn't make me in any way mentally ill.


I have never killed anybody, I never want to, I hope I never have to. I have no idea how it will effect me. I'm not going to ignorantly say it won't.


I suggested no such thing. I stated that having no empathy is considered clinically speaking sociopathic. Read up on it, psychology is an interesting field of study.
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No, you said, in essence that you expect me to have the same empathic response as you and if I didn't (and I quote) "I would suggest you see a therapist soon, because that is a clear sign of antisocial disorder." Sounds like a suggestion to me since you actually used the word "suggest" in your post.


You inferred that. I stated facts. Lack of empathy is a mental condition, that's just reality.
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I didn't have to infer anything. Your example was only about my response to killing, not anything else. My response to killing may not be the same as yours but that doesn't mean I have no empathy of any kind. No empathy at all is a mental disorder. Different responses to empathy then yours aren't necessarily a mental disorder no matter how much you want to believe that people who feel things differently than you are somehow mentally ill.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't think so. I'm not interested in opinions on what should or shouldn't be believed.
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LOL.

I do not care what you do on a personal level. You can believe that donkeys are good sexual objects and I still would not give a dime :)

The position is: There is no reason to believe in paranormal activity because there is no actual empirical evidence to support the claim that it exists. It would require compelling evidence in order to convince one to invest degrees of belief and establish a position, and they lack for paranormal activity.
 
DDD said:
LOL.

I do not care what you do on a personal level. You can believe that donkeys are good sexual objects and I still would not give a dime :)

The position is: There is no reason to believe in paranormal activity because there is no actual empirical evidence to support the claim that it exists. It would require compelling evidence in order to convince one to invest degrees of belief and establish a position, and they lack for paranormal activity.
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Again I don't care what you think is a good reason. That is an opinion and it's meaningless.
 
MoSurveyor said:
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No, you said, in essence that you expect me to have the same empathic response as you and if I didn't (and I quote) "I would suggest you see a therapist soon, because that is a clear sign of antisocial disorder."
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No I didn't. You simply protected that onto me.

I said lack of empathy is a mental disorder. In fact you agreed.

I deleted everything else in your post because you ate twisting my words. That needs to stop, no discussion can continue if I'm constantly having to correct your mistaken inferences.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
Have you ever had what you might consider a paranormal or "out there" experience that you know was real, but just find it hard to logically explain?
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I know someone who was diagnosed as having mild autism and spent most of their life with the associated difficulties. They were depressed due to those difficulties and the inability to really process their emotions to the point where they were ready to commit suicide. They prayed one final desperate prayer and the next day they were a completely different person. I remember seeing the personality change and that this person, within a day, understood their own emotions, other people's body language, felt a greater need for human connection. He walked around for a good couple of months just enjoying new sensations and learning how to deal with their brain opening up and rapidly developed a good set of social skills. This person is now engaged to be married and has an amazing connection with his lady and a very close family whom he seems to cherish greatly. Plus has had since had promotions to jobs which require high levels of social skills.

I don't know what else could explain it, maybe some sort of lucky brain damage?

Beyond that, I have been a part of a few exorcisms and other things, and those things, I think, are rituals for those who don't have the will to change a bad behavior on their own. The one ritual that I can't readily explain though is communion, there's just something going on there that I can't quite identify but makes all of me in tune in a very hard to explain way. Communion is something I am willing to chalk up to the supernatural.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
No I didn't. You simply protected that onto me.

I said lack of empathy is a mental disorder. In fact you agreed.
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You didn't say it was a mental disorder, you said it was, specifically, "antisocial disorder" (as can plainly be seen in the quote below).

Later you added "sociopathic" and later still, "a mental disorder".

Lack of empathy is merely a symptom and, in and of itself, doesn't point to any specific mental illness.

What you're trying to say amounts to saying I must have a cold since I have a persistent cough, which is patently false. Many things can cause a persistent cough and not all of them are diseases.



CLAX1911 said:
If you can kill somebody without feeling anything, I would suggest you see a therapist soon, because that is a clear sign of antisocial disorder.
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MoSurveyor said:
If someone shot me I would not have a problem shooting back. If you think that makes me a psycho I'd say you're delusional and should probable check with your own shrink.
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You started this Merry-Go-Round and then accused me of an ad hom.

Now you're trying to say you didn't start it and the blame is on me. Of course, my post isn't any more damning than yours (since both clearly have qualifiers for the reference to be true) but you seem hell-bent on pretending innocence. :roll:

You posted I should grow up. I suggest you do the same.
 
MoSurveyor said:
You didn't say it was a mental disorder, you said it was, specifically, "antisocial disorder" (as can plainly be seen in the quote below).

Later you added "sociopathic" and later still, "a mental disorder".

Lack of empathy is merely a symptom and, in and of itself, doesn't point to any specific mental illness.
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Incorrect. Sociopathic is the old term, anti-social is the new term for the same mental disorder. It's marked by lack of empathy. How much education do you have on psychology?

What you're trying to say amounts to saying I must have a cold since I have a persistent cough, which is patently false.
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No, I'm saying you have a persistent cough. You misunderstand the words being used.

Many things can cause a persistent cough and not all of them are diseases.
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I never claimed there was a disease. I claimed that lack of empathy is a disorder. Disorder is a form of thinking or behavior that isn't conducive with society.

You are conflating terms.





You started this Merry-Go-Round and then accused me of an ad hom.
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Well now I am stopping it.


You posted I should grow up. I suggest you do the same.
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Okay I have stepped off of your "merry-go-round" do you need to ride it a few more times or can we move forward?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Okay I have stepped off of your "merry-go-round" do you need to ride it a few more times or can we move forward?
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No, you didn't.


CLAX1911 said:
Incorrect. Sociopathic is the old term, anti-social is the new term for the same mental disorder. It's marked by lack of empathy. How much education do you have on psychology?
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Incorrect?!? All I did was quote you verbatim. If it's incorrect that's not my problem.


Do you mean antisocial personality disorder? "Antisocial" is a general term.

Just because A implies B doesn't mean B implies A. Yes, a person with antisocial personality disorder (A) will have a lack of empathy (B) but that is far, far from saying that everyone with a lack of empathy (B) has antisocial personality disorder (A), which is exactly what you said. I'm sorry but B does not imply A. I suggest, if you have had some education in psychology, that you might want to take a refresher course. I'm pretty sure my shrink is better educated than you in this field.
 
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MoSurveyor said:
Do you mean antisocial personality disorder? "Antisocial" is a general term.
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I ment generally.

Just because A implies B doesn't mean B implies A. Yes, a person with antisocial personality disorder (A) will have a lack of empathy (B) but that is far, far from saying that everyone with a lack of empathy (B) has antisocial personality disorder (A), which is exactly what you said.
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You misinterpreted that.
I'm sorry but B does not imply A. I suggest, if you have had some education in psychology, that you might want to take a refresher course.
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I'm sorry, not interested in riding the merry-go-round.
 
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