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Paranormal experience? [W:138]

Have you ever experienced something you just could not logically explain, but was ver

  • Yes, and it reenforced what I already thought.

    Votes: 9 22.5%

  • Yes, and it was a mind bender, and was completely unexpected.

    Votes: 11 27.5%

  • No, but I hope to one day

    Votes: 4 10.0%

  • Never, this is all complete nonsense.

    Votes: 16 40.0%
  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .
Ancient Herald said:
Yawn.

why does there always have to be someone like you in threads like these?

you do know that you're being very disrespectful, don't you?

Why are yous o threatened by the belief in the paranormal and supernatural that you have to insist that you and only you can be right?

For some people denial really is a river in egypt.

Sad.

I'm not a believer in the supernatural or paranormal either.

But there are those who would deny their hair being on fire if their hair was on fire.
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Where can I find the evidence of the existence of vampires? Not believing in the existence of vampires or the Holy Grail is not being disrespectful. Where did I insist that I was right? I am willing to be swayed by evidence. There is no evidence of the existence of the paranormal, only stories.
 
zyzygy said:
Where can I find the evidence of the existence of vampires? Not believing in the existence of vampires or the Holy Grail is not being disrespectful. There is no evidence of the existence of the paranormal, only stories.
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Shifting the burden -- fallacy.
 
zyzygy said:
What? So if I tell you a paranormal story you are going to believe it automatically?
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So do you expect people to believe your claims automatically?

Methinks thou art trolling.

What is it about this belief that scares you so much?

i can see your shoulders are shaking uncontrollably.
 
Convinced of observing demonic influence in individuals and among entire groups of people. Fairly certain of observing full demonic possession on a few occasions. Came to this understanding and ability to see it as a young adult, not due to religious teaching in formative years.
 
Ancient Herald said:
So do you expect people to believe your claims automatically?

Methinks thou art trolling.

What is it about this belief that scares you so much?

i can see your shoulders are shaking uncontrollably.
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My shoulders are perfectly still. I don't know why you would assume that I am scared. I am not making any claims. I merely say that stories are not enough evidence for me.
 
I have never denied the possibility of the existence of other worldly things.

It intrigues me.

I am deeply spiritual and open to the existence of anything since the universe is massive and we are tiny and so is our understanding.

I believe there is energy that flows constantly around us and science tells us that it does.

I pick up on positive energy from others all of the time. I like it.

I have only experienced overwhelming blackness or negativity once.

A friend and I were previewing a house for one of his clients...I could feel the dis ease right from the onset upon approaching the house. I had never felt that before in my life. It was a beautiful home on a wonderful amount of land overlooking a river. But it did not feel inviting, it felt off. Everything felt off.

The deeper we went the blacker it got until it was overwhelming. It didn't necessarily feel like it was an attack it just felt all wrong and then I did get scared when I asked if he could feel it and he said yes. I asked what it was and he said he didn't know.

I said we have to leave and he said he knew that...but he had to check the third floor first and that I should just leave and that he would hurry.

It was one of the most bizarre experiences I've ever had. Didn't see anything but something was not right.
 
zyzygy said:
My shoulders are perfectly still. I don't know why you would assume that I am scared. I am not making any claims. I merely say that stories are not enough evidence for me.
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So you keep repeating.

But i can see your shoulders shaking when you say that.

You've had your say, and all you're dong now is repeating yourself.
 
zyzygy said:
What? So if I tell you a paranormal story you are going to believe it automatically?
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You have figured out a clever way to word a shifting of the burden so that it does not sound like a shifting of the burden.

Very amusing. And very good. But still a fallacy.
 
Riveroaks said:
Repeating is the fallacy of verbosity. You are correct about that.
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Actually i believe the proper name of the fallacy is proof by assertion, or proof by repeated assertion.

Which, in short goes like this:

ARGUMENT FROM ARGUMENTATION
(1) God exists.
(2) [Atheist's counterargument]
(3) Yes he does.
(4) [Atheist's counterargument]
(5) Yes he does!
(6) [Atheist's counterargument]
(7) YES HE DOES!!!
(8) [Atheist gives up and goes home.]
(9) Therefore, God exists.

That is from:

Hundreds of Proofs of God?s Existence
 
Ancient Herald said:
Actually i believe the proper name of the fallacy is proof by assertion, or proof by repeated assertion.

Which, in short goes like this:

ARGUMENT FROM ARGUMENTATION
(1) God exists.
(2) [Atheist's counterargument]
(3) Yes he does.
(4) [Atheist's counterargument]
(5) Yes he does!
(6) [Atheist's counterargument]
(7) YES HE DOES!!!
(8) [Atheist gives up and goes home.]
(9) Therefore, God exists.

That is from:

Hundreds of Proofs of God?s Existence
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"Verbosity" works for me.
 
Riveroaks said:
Logic never needs to be verbose. Usually logic is very laconic and terse.
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I prefer to keep things simple myself.

By the way, Occam's' Razor is actually misunderstood and misused.

It actually states that one must not multiply entities unnecessarily, which is a very different thing than keeping it simple.

The movie Contact (with Jodie Foster0 actually unwittingly illustrates how it can be misused.

Now getting back to the OP, I wish to present to you a video about the kundalini spirit. I once attending one of these meetings and it was one of the creepiest experiences of my life. This video is 27 minutes long, but well worth the watch;



This just might be proof of demonic activity as the host claims, but I'm not so sure.

Regardless of it being or hoax, or real, it is a very creepy thing to watch.

The only mistake he makes is with this one woman who is walking down the sidewalk. He says she is suffering from demonic possession, but that is actually Tourett's syndrome, and has nothing to do with demonic possession.
 
Riveroaks said:
Shifting the burden -- fallacy.
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On your part yes, it is a peurile attempt to shift the burden.

The poster being responded to by Zy made extraordinary claims and therefore needs to provide extraordinary evidence for them. It is not up to Zy to disprove the claims the burden lies with the person making the assertion.

How many times does this BS need to be explained before the delusional understand it?
 
Ancient Herald said:
Yawn.

why does there always have to be someone like you in threads like these?

you do know that you're being very disrespectful, don't you?

Why are yous o threatened by the belief in the paranormal and supernatural that you have to insist that you and only you can be right?

For some people denial really is a river in egypt.

Sad.

I'm not a believer in the supernatural or paranormal either.

But there are those who would deny their hair being on fire if their hair was on fire.
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Yawn.

Why do people yawn in threads like these?

Delusion is delusion and it would not be nearly so boring if the deluded actually presented some evidence that we could discuss.
 
William Rea said:
On your part yes, it is a peurile attempt to shift the burden.

The poster being responded to by Zy made extraordinary claims and therefore needs to provide extraordinary evidence for them. It is not up to Zy to disprove the claims the burden lies with the person making the assertion.

How many times does this BS need to be explained before the delusional understand it?
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I've given up trying to explain it. Somebody claims that vampires exist and then I have to prove that they don't. That is not the way it works.
 
William Rea said:
Yawn.

Why do people yawn in threads like these?

Delusion is delusion and it would not be nearly so boring if the deluded actually presented some evidence that we could discuss.
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A pair of invisible hands pushed me appears to be evidence in the alleged world of the paranormal. And negative energy, whatever that is.
 
zyzygy said:
I've given up trying to explain it. Somebody claims that vampires exist and then I have to prove that they don't. That is not the way it works.
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And that is the mistake you're making.

This is an informal discussion. Nobody has to prove anything to you or anybody else.

To claim that they do is very rude.

if this was a formal debate, then I would definately agree with your assertion.

But this is not.

And it is very rude for you to come in and claim that they could not have experienced what they experienced in order to placate you.

You do not have to prove that they don't either. And you're being very dishonest with your claim.

You are trolling.

Be thankful I am not a moderator or I would thread ban you.
 
William Rea said:
Yawn.

Why do people yawn in threads like these?

Delusion is delusion and it would not be nearly so boring if the deluded actually presented some evidence that we could discuss.
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The definition of insanity is the repetition of something over and over again and expecting a different result.

You guys always have to come into threads like these and insist that they have to prove what happened to them is real, and of course, no mater what anybody says, you are the ones who will completely dismiss it.

Over and over again ad infinitum.

this is an informal discussion. nobody has to prove a damned thing to you.

And it is indeed you who are being very rude when you make these demands, even more so when nothing anybody says or does will convince you, since you are just trolling.

There always has to be someone like you.
 
Ancient Herald said:
The definition of insanity is the repetition of something over and over again and expecting a different result.

You guys always have to come into threads like these and insist that they have to prove what happened to them is real, and of course, no mater what anybody says, you are the ones who will completely dismiss it.

Over and over again ad infinitum.

this is an informal discussion. nobody has to prove a damned thing to you.

And it is indeed you who are being very rude when you make these demands, even more so when nothing anybody says or does will convince you, since you are just trolling.

There always has to be someone like you.
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YOU are in the philosophy forum. If you want a free ride for your woo woo, there are alternatives. I informally dismissed, without evidence, what was asserted without evidence.

If you can't show it, you don't know it.
 
William Rea said:
YOU are in the philosophy forum. If you want a free ride for your woo woo, there are alternatives. I informally dismissed, without evidence, what was asserted without evidence.

If you can't show it, you don't know it.
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True. This is not a believe everything you read forum.
 
William Rea said:
On your part yes, it is a peurile attempt to shift the burden.

The poster being responded to by Zy made extraordinary claims and therefore needs to provide extraordinary evidence for them. It is not up to Zy to disprove the claims the burden lies with the person making the assertion.

How many times does this BS need to be explained before the delusional understand it?
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Zyz is tricky and knows how to try to shift the burden and make it look like he is not.
 
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