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Paranormal experience? [W:138]

Have you ever experienced something you just could not logically explain, but was ver

  • Yes, and it reenforced what I already thought.

    Votes: 9 22.5%

  • Yes, and it was a mind bender, and was completely unexpected.

    Votes: 11 27.5%

  • No, but I hope to one day

    Votes: 4 10.0%

  • Never, this is all complete nonsense.

    Votes: 16 40.0%
  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .
I have experienced things I couldn't logically explain. But I don't assume that means it was paranormal.
 
Beaudreaux said:
For you, maybe it is. For me it was, too. Until the second time it happened, and now after a few more times, I don't know anymore. I'm not saying I believe, but I dang sure don't dismiss it out of hand anymore.
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Those weren't real paranormal experiences. They can be explained as something other than the paranormal.
 
Yes, I've experienced things I could not explain but that doesn't make them paranormal, just beyond our present knowledge and/or understanding. Why do people think science has solved all the mysteries of the universe and what's left over must be "eerie", "paranormal", "spiritual", or "religious"? Haven't we learned enough from history to understand that we just don't know everything? --- YET!


Medusa said:
me too but the fact that these phenomena cant be explained with logic and physical laws proves that there is something called paranormal
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Medusa said:
why can not the science explain it ? admit science is not the answer everytime
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OK, it's 1000 AD and a lightning strike hits a hut built on a hill in Northern Germany. Obviously this is a paranormal event because it can't be explained with logic or physical laws. But we DO have an explanation for the lightning hitting the hut:


For some reason or other Thor was angered by the inhabitants of the hut and destroyed their home as a warning.


Gods of the Gaps strike again! :lol:
 
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Why do you reject paranormal, which can also mean supernatural?

If it hasn't been proven or disproven - on what basis do you reject it outright?
 
Medusa said:
why can not the science explain it ? admit science is not the answer everytime
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You're very right! Even the National Academy of Sciences had admitted that:


"Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about ourselves and the world around us. Humans gain understanding in many other ways, such as through literature, the arts, philosophical reflection, and religious experience.

Scientific knowledge may enrich aesthetic and moral perceptions, but these subjects extend beyond science's realm, which is to obtain a better understanding of the natural world."

WMAP Site FAQs


Paranormal deals with the un-natural. So? Why pin all the answers from science?
 
As to the poll question: a resounding, YES!

For me, it wasn't hard to explain. I knew where the experiences - plural form - were coming from!
Most, if not all, were preceded by prayers.
 
Back in the early seventies, I was hitchhiking up the California Coast in Mendocino, and a young wman about my age picked me up. We hit it off immediately and as it was getting late, we decided to sleep on a beach. During the night, though, I had the most terrifying dream. It was more than a dream, almost, and in it I could see a stalker up on the cliffs looking down at us intending to kill us. My perspective kept changing from me looking up at him, and he looking down at us. I awoke with a start absolutely trembling only to look into the eyes of my traveling companion, who also woke up terrified. She said "let's" and I finished the sentence "get out of here"

When we got back to the car and sped off, she told me of a horrible dream she had, which was also more than a dream and had every detail EXACTLY like mine. Same man, same looks, same intent, same time and same shifting perspective. Realizing we had just experienced the same dream made us even MORE terrified, and we spent the rest of the night just driving and going over it again and again.

Paranormal? Sixth Sense? Out of body experience? I don't care what you call it, the entire experience was so shocking that it defies my every attempt to explain it.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
Have you ever had what you might consider a paranormal or "out there" experience that you know was real, but just find it hard to logically explain?
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Nope, never had. Likely never will since its highly probable that it's all nothing more than tomfoolery.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
How many monster movies have the scientist say, " There has GOT to be a logical explanation" right before they get 'et.

Unless you have actually experienced something, most regular people will not believe it, but those that have experienced something, KNOW there is something "out there". There is ZERO doubt. They KNOW because they have seen, heard, or felt it.

That is why there are more than a few of us that already KNOW, and do not need to resort to any logical explanations. We already KNOW.

Those that have not seen, heard, or felt something will try and explain it all away.

Explain away, logically, two invisible hands shoving you off a park bench onto your face while attempting to record EVP at the Little Bighorn Battleground.
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yeah, I get really tired of that old cliche'.
 
Medusa said:
me too but the fact that these phenomena cant be explained with logic and physical laws proves that there is something called paranormal
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Or, it could be 'confirmation bias', and imagination. (btw, that's logic). Also, misremembering things, and retrofitting what you felt into what actually occurred (or fitting what happened into what you felt)/.
 
zyzygy said:
Invisible hands pushing people around?
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No matter how much experience a character has with paranormal events, they refuse to believe in the Paranormal.

Sorry, but if yo find the Holy Grail and watch it completely an fully heal someone of all health problems and injuries, if you see a Cross and or holy water bun a vampire.

We,, there is only one way to deny that, and that is to be completely delusional.
 
Sherman123 said:
What's more likely? That an immaterial world exists, that souls exist, that they exist and can return to this world, that they return with the ability to interfere with the physical world, and that said ghost took the time to shove you---or you stumbled. Or tripped. Or some other perfectly explicable reason for falling forward other than the summoning of 'other-worldly' beings.
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I would not call them "immaterial." I would simply suspect they are made up of very fine matter that our instruments cannot detect.
 
Ancient Herald said:
No matter how much experience a character has with paranormal events, they refuse to believe in the Paranormal.

Sorry, but if yo find the Holy Grail and watch it completely an fully heal someone of all health problems and injuries, if you see a Cross and or holy water bun a vampire.

We,, there is only one way to deny that, and that is to be completely delusional.
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Indiana Jones has already found the Holy Grail. The only place that vampires get burned is in the movies. They don't exist.
 
DDD said:
Correct :)

I think the problem is believing that the unexplained events are out there versus inside one's self.
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That hypothesis can only be maintained as long as the experiences are infrequent and not connected.

Once they become consistent then you must grant logically that a medium of some kind exists and that a world of some kind is out there behind the medium.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
How many monster movies have the scientist say, " There has GOT to be a logical explanation" right before they get 'et.

Unless you have actually experienced something, most regular people will not believe it, but those that have experienced something, KNOW there is something "out there". There is ZERO doubt. They KNOW because they have seen, heard, or felt it.

That is why there are more than a few of us that already KNOW, and do not need to resort to any logical explanations. We already KNOW.

Those that have not seen, heard, or felt something will try and explain it all away.

Explain away, logically, two invisible hands shoving you off a park bench onto your face while attempting to record EVP at the Little Bighorn Battleground.
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Yes there are more than only one or two of us that actually "know."

The number is indeed very small.

Maybe those who know are "the elect."

Maybe predestination has them in mind and they are the soul focus of all creation.

Or maybe they have lived their lives in such a way that they have therefore attracted attention that the masses have not and never will.

Many hypotheses are possible.
 
tosca1 said:
You're very right! Even the National Academy of Sciences had admitted that:


"Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about ourselves and the world around us. Humans gain understanding in many other ways, such as through literature, the arts, philosophical reflection, and religious experience.

Scientific knowledge may enrich aesthetic and moral perceptions, but these subjects extend beyond science's realm, which is to obtain a better understanding of the natural world."

WMAP Site FAQs


Paranormal deals with the un-natural. So? Why pin all the answers from science?
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Science, philosophical reflection, and religious revelation are the 3 keys ways that knowledge is gained.

Correct.

Many people however neglect philosophy and religion. These make science their Gods.

I love you Tosca !!

You are my favorite romantic philosopher.
 
tosca1 said:
As to the poll question: a resounding, YES!

For me, it wasn't hard to explain. I knew where the experiences - plural form - were coming from!
Most, if not all, were preceded by prayers.
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I was the opposite of you in this respect Tosca.

I was strictly minding my own business with no prayers involved at all.

For me it was much like being drafted for the NFL. The call came and it was on the intercom so I could not ignore it.

Many calls. Many intercoms. Even a few visits too.

The Beings were all classic and somewhat as I expected though not exactly what I had read about -- different enough to be different but same enough to be recognizable.
 
Gardener said:
Back in the early seventies, I was hitchhiking up the California Coast in Mendocino, and a young wman about my age picked me up. We hit it off immediately and as it was getting late, we decided to sleep on a beach. During the night, though, I had the most terrifying dream. It was more than a dream, almost, and in it I could see a stalker up on the cliffs looking down at us intending to kill us. My perspective kept changing from me looking up at him, and he looking down at us. I awoke with a start absolutely trembling only to look into the eyes of my traveling companion, who also woke up terrified. She said "let's" and I finished the sentence "get out of here"

When we got back to the car and sped off, she told me of a horrible dream she had, which was also more than a dream and had every detail EXACTLY like mine. Same man, same looks, same intent, same time and same shifting perspective. Realizing we had just experienced the same dream made us even MORE terrified, and we spent the rest of the night just driving and going over it again and again.

Paranormal? Sixth Sense? Out of body experience? I don't care what you call it, the entire experience was so shocking that it defies my every attempt to explain it.
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Probably a mountain lion. They hunt along the forested coast like that. Good thing you got away. It was probably your guardian angel warning you.

I always set up a tent for those reasons. And I sleep armed.
 
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zyzygy said:
Indiana Jones has already found the Holy Grail. The only place that vampires get burned is in the movies. They don't exist.
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Yawn.

why does there always have to be someone like you in threads like these?

you do know that you're being very disrespectful, don't you?

Why are yous o threatened by the belief in the paranormal and supernatural that you have to insist that you and only you can be right?

For some people denial really is a river in egypt.

Sad.

I'm not a believer in the supernatural or paranormal either.

But there are those who would deny their hair being on fire if their hair was on fire.
 
Ancient Herald said:
Yawn.

why does there always have to be someone like you in threads like these?

you do know that you're being very disrespectful, don't you?

Why are yous o threatened by the belief in the paranormal and supernatural that you have to insist that you and only you can be right?

For some people denial really is a river in egypt.

Sad.

I'm not a believer in the supernatural or paranormal either.

But there are those who would deny their hair being on fire if their hair was on fire.
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Zyzy pops his/her head into threads all the time and plays devil's advocate.

You should be used to it by now.

You can ignore him/her or you can play her/his game with him/her.

Unless he/she says something particularly brilliant I normally ignore him/her.
 
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