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Bill Nye Gives One Big Reason For Going To Mars

Manny said:
Other numbers represent similar concepts, extending math into the realm of metaphysics. Hence... God.
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So, numbers hence "god" huh? :doh

Math is in practical use today and its claims can be supported with empirical evidence. Similarly, where is the actual empirical evidence that this religious "god" even exists?
 
Kelfuma said:
I think I have problems understanding cause and effect. You are partly right about ignoring time, I often overlook that.
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In the standard view of cause and effect, an action eventually precipitates a given event in it's "future". To me, cause and effect is one event continuing through time.

If you have an issue with time then I have no doubt you have an issue with cause and effect, whichever definition/concept you accept.
 
faithful_servant said:
And which person on this planet will have a better life as a result of this knowledge (outside of the people getting paid by NASA)?
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Because we all know if an investment or discovery has no direct effect today then it must be useless ... :lamo
 
DDD said:
So, numbers hence "god" huh? :doh

Math is in practical use today and its claims can be supported with empirical evidence. Similarly, where is the actual empirical evidence that this religious "god" even exists?
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We have a cyclical argument now, as I hve already addressed this question of yours. I told you that God does not exist in this physical reallity in the same way as we are flesh and blood, but can be seen through the works that the god "concept" manifests itself through human action, human belief and use of the god concept.

This parallels other useful concepts that don't "exist" physically, mathematics and language which are concepts. The results of these concepts are undeniable as can be seen in engineering, for example. They are both seen through their works.
 
Manny said:
We have a cyclical argument now, as I hve already addressed this question of yours. I told you that God does not exist in this physical reallity in the same way as we are flesh and blood, but can be seen through the works that the god "concept" manifests itself through human action, human belief and use of the god concept.
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Well then provide actual empirical evidence that supports that "God does not exist in this physical reallity in the same way as we are flesh and blood, but can be seen through the works that the god "concept" manifests itself through human action, human belief and use of the god concept."

Manny said:
This parallels other useful concepts that don't "exist" physically, mathematics and language which are concepts. The results of these concepts are undeniable as can be seen in engineering, for example. They are both seen through their works.
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But claims in math can be empirically supported and thus deserve the belief. What actual empirical evidence is there for the existence of "god" so as it would merit belief also?
 
DDD said:
Well then provide actual empirical evidence that supports that "God does not exist in this physical reallity in the same way as we are flesh and blood, but can be seen through the works that the god "concept" manifests itself through human action, human belief and use of the god concept."

But claims in math can be empirically supported and thus deserve the belief. What actual empirical evidence is there for the existence of "god" so as it would merit belief also?
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Haven't I done this already? It seems you are either missing the point of what I said or refusing to accept it.
Give empirical evidence that people have done good things in the word thanks to religion? Please, give me a useful counter-argument or stop wasting my time.
 
Manny said:
Haven't I done this already? It seems you are either missing the point of what I said or refusing to accept it.
Give empirical evidence that people have done good things in the word thanks to religion? Please, give me a useful counter-argument or stop wasting my time.
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No actual empirical evidence have been provided that this "god" concept really exists. Rather than provide the evidence (or links to it) claims from scientists and counter-questions are provided instead.
 
DDD said:
No actual empirical evidence have been provided that this "god" concept really exists. Rather than provide the evidence (or links to it) claims from scientists and counter-questions are provided instead.
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You are deflecting my argument into a pidgeon hole by insisting that God must be shown to exist, physically in this realm. If that is the evidence you seek, let me help you by doing you a favour, NO, you will not come face to face with any such a physical being. If you cannot comprehend the argument I'm making, there is no point for us to continue.

Note it has little to do with Bill Nye, or Mars, so in the interest of self-moderating, this little chat will now cease.
 
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