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The Bible is Completely Immoral[W:197]

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I hear Christians discuss how atheists don't have a strong basis in morality yet when we look at the bible there are a lot of problems. I will be providing some sample verses demonstrating some pretty shocking things in the bible. In most cases there are multiple examples but I only provide one for each for brevity.

Divorce:
Matthew 19
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife [or husband], except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Women silent in churches:
1 Corinthians 14
34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Submissive wives:
Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.

Rape:
Deuteronomy 21:10-14
When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.

Abortion:
Numbers 5
14
and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure—
15 then he is to take his wife to the priest....
[The woman is made to drink some bitter water that brings a curse if she is unfaithful, and a sacrifice is made....]
27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

Killing of Homosexuals in the Old Testament:
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Homosexuals go to hell in New Testament:
1 Corinthians 6
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men.
 
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Death for not believing in the right religion:
Exodus 22:20
Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed [put to death].

Genocide:
Deuteronomy 20
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

Slavery allowed in the old testament:
Leviticus 25:44-46
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.

Obedience of slaves commanded in the new testament:
Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

Generational Punishment:
Deuteronomy 23:2
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath:
Numbers 15:
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.

Hanging up decapitated heads:
Numbers 25:3-4
And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Demonizing non-Christians and calling them liars:
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

Also there is a whole host of ridiculous laws in the Law of Moses:
https://www.gci.org/law/sct01
 
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Quick, sign up! Mental gymnastics class is about to start! :mrgreen:
 
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The bible is COMPLETELY immoral?

Thou shall not commit murder is immoral?

Mehehehehehee, Rekt m8. Perhaps mostly is the word you're looking for.
 
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I hear Christians discuss how atheists don't have a strong basis in morality yet when we look at the bible there are a lot of problems. I will be providing some sample verses demonstrating some pretty shocking things in the bible. In most cases there are multiple examples but I only provide one for each for brevity.

Divorce:
Matthew 19
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife [or husband], except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Women silent in churches:
1 Corinthians 14
34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Submissive wives:
Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.

Rape:
Deuteronomy 21:10-14
When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.

Abortion:
Numbers 5
14
and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure—
15 then he is to take his wife to the priest....
[The woman is made to drink some bitter water that brings a curse if she is unfaithful, and a sacrifice is made....]
27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

Killing of Homosexuals in the Old Testament:
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Homosexuals go to hell in New Testament:
1 Corinthians 6
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men.

Here's one for you:

"Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son." - 1 John 2:22
 
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:popcorn2: (this is always entertaining.)
 
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Here's one for you:

"Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son." - 1 John 2:22

Thanks. Just added your verse to my list.

Check out the bottom of post #2.
 
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Here's one for you:

"Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son." - 1 John 2:22

OH yes, that is another immoral saying. Thanks for pointing it out.
 
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As csbrown pointed out, here undoubtedly come the mental gymnastics and apologetics. Look, we get it, the average Christian is not a violent monster, but that's only because you don't actually follow what the bible tells you to do. It is one of the most vile and disgusting pieces of literature on the planet, it advocates violence and it paints the picture of a god who throws hissy fits and kills millions upon millions of men, women and children. He even goes as far to tell his armies to murder all of the non-virgins, men women and children, and take all of the virgins, children included, for themselves.

I for one am glad that the modern Christian cherry picks the handful of parables and suggestions he finds most comforting and doesn't follow the whole thing literally, otherwise we'd be seeing ISIS level violence. Good on you, Christians for subjectively rejecting the worst parts of your holy book. :applaud
 
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As csbrown pointed out, here undoubtedly come the mental gymnastics and apologetics. Look, we get it, the average Christian is not a violent monster, but that's only because you don't actually follow what the bible tells you to do. It is one of the most vile and disgusting pieces of literature on the planet, it advocates violence and it paints the picture of a god who throws hissy fits and kills millions upon millions of men, women and children. He even goes as far to tell his armies to murder all of the non-virgins, men women and children, and take all of the virgins, children included, for themselves.

I for one am glad that the modern Christian cherry picks the handful of parables and suggestions he finds most comforting and doesn't follow the whole thing literally, otherwise we'd be seeing ISIS level violence. Good on you, Christians for subjectively rejecting the worst parts of your holy book. :applaud

Cherry picking stops the more the religious are in power. This to win the "Who is more capable to follow the more extremes in their book" competition.
 
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No killing babys since its a living thing
Stay faithful to one person
Do not murder for selfish reason
(I lot of us might argue the homosexuality point as immoral)
Help those less fortunate
Love your family
Respect your parents
Help your community

Yeah what immoral pieces of ****..

Oh dear, everyone run! The immoral Christians are going to try to teach you about not cheating on your wife. Those jerks!

I kind of wondering if homosexuality was tossed in to promote population growth at the time.
 
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No killing babys since its a living thing
Stay faithful to one person
Do not murder for selfish reason
(I lot of us might argue the homosexuality point as immoral)
Help those less fortunate
Love your family
Respect your parents
Help your community

Yeah what immoral pieces of ****..

Oh dear, everyone run! The immoral Christians are going to try to teach you about not cheating on your wife. Those jerks!

I kind of wondering if homosexuality was tossed in to promote population growth at the time.

So you pick out 8 things you subjectively believe are moral, ignoring the other 5,000 horribly immoral things, then declare the bible is in fact moral? Interesting.

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So you pick out 8 things you subjectively believe are moral, ignoring the other 5,000 horribly immoral things, then declare the bible is in fact moral? Interesting.

cherry-picking.jpg

Yeah it really is not. Most of the stuff it teaches is not immoral. Are you going to go find any damn scripture? Its a book? Did you FORGET?
 
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No killing babys since its a living thing
Stay faithful to one person
Do not murder for selfish reason
(I lot of us might argue the homosexuality point as immoral)
Help those less fortunate
Love your family
Respect your parents
Help your community

Yeah what immoral pieces of ****..

Oh dear, everyone run! The immoral Christians are going to try to teach you about not cheating on your wife. Those jerks!

I kind of wondering if homosexuality was tossed in to promote population growth at the time.

Really, that is your reason for murdering and condemning LGBT individuals to eternal torment? Population growth? Your all-powerful God who literally invented reproduction could not find any better solutions to improve population growth?
 
Re: The Bible is Completely Immoral

I hear Christians discuss how atheists don't have a strong basis in morality yet when we look at the bible there are a lot of problems. I will be providing some sample verses demonstrating some pretty shocking things in the bible. In most cases there are multiple examples but I only provide one for each for brevity.

Divorce:
Matthew 19
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife [or husband], except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Women silent in churches:
1 Corinthians 14
34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Submissive wives:
Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body.

Rape:
Deuteronomy 21:10-14
When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.

Abortion:
Numbers 5
14
and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure—
15 then he is to take his wife to the priest....
[The woman is made to drink some bitter water that brings a curse if she is unfaithful, and a sacrifice is made....]
27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.

Killing of Homosexuals in the Old Testament:
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Homosexuals go to hell in New Testament:
1 Corinthians 6
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men.

I'm not reading more than one post of this nonsense.

Based on your first post, I'll say:

Most of the things you mention have nothing wrong with them.
The few that do are either your mistranslating or misinterpreting them.
 
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Really, that is your reason for murdering and condemning LGBT individuals to eternal torment? Population growth? Your all-powerful God who literally invented reproduction could not find any better solutions to improve population growth?

The bible does not say to murder gays. It says that gay people go to hell and its a sin. That is what a lot of Christians believe and well several other religions believe too. It would make sense if they tossed it in there since they thought it would help population growth. I do not see why else it would be that big a deal in general though. I do not think places like greek cared about homosexuality and I do not really see the purpose in condemning a person to hell based on that alone. If they are pedos and raping kids sure, but I do not see why else homosexuality would condemn anyone.
 
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The Bible is a collection of books written at a time when there weren't a lot of books. That's all it is. Some of them are myths, some are based on history, some are simply fanciful.

Imagine taking a random selection of books from the local library and basing a religion on the result. There would have to be some amusing interpretations of Steven King novels, Harry Potter, and Lady Chatterly's Lover.

and all of those books are in English. The ancient tomes from which the Bible was written were in mostly languages now extinct.
 
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"The Bible is Completely Immoral"
How do you figure?

The Bible is supposedly the word of the creator who told his creation what morals to have.

Just because you do not believe that and have a different set of morals as well, does not mean it is immoral.
Frankly if it is the word of the creator it can not be immoral as those are the beliefs we are supposed to have.

So maybe you should just settle for these are not your morals and that much of what the Bible says is counter to them, especially as absent a belief in G_d given morals to follow, all morals are subjective.
 
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I'm not reading more than one post of this nonsense.

Based on your first post, I'll say:

Most of the things you mention have nothing wrong with them.
The few that do are either your mistranslating or misinterpreting them.

Funny how you attacked my post without offering any specifics. Its like doing a book review and the review only being, "The book sucked."
 
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Yeah it really is not. Most of the stuff it teaches is not immoral. Are you going to go find any damn scripture? Its a book? Did you FORGET?

You do know... ALL of the bible is "the word of God"... not just "most"
 
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Yeah it really is not. Most of the stuff it teaches is not immoral. Are you going to go find any damn scripture? Its a book? Did you FORGET?

You were provided like 20 scriptures in the first two posts in this thread. Why are you asking people to find scriptures?
 
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Isn't this whole thread based on culture views of morality and equality?
 
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I'm not reading more than one post of this nonsense.

Based on your first post, I'll say:

Most of the things you mention have nothing wrong with them.
The few that do are either your mistranslating or misinterpreting them.

Im interested on which ones you think is okay, and which ones you think are mistranslated...
 
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The bible does not say to murder gays. It says that gay people go to hell and its a sin. That is what a lot of Christians believe and well several other religions believe too. It would make sense if they tossed it in there since they thought it would help population growth. I do not see why else it would be that big a deal in general though. I do not think places like greek cared about homosexuality and I do not really see the purpose in condemning a person to hell based on that alone. If they are pedos and raping kids sure, but I do not see why else homosexuality would condemn anyone.

Please read the OP again.

Killing of Homosexuals in the Old Testament:
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
 
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Really, that is your reason for murdering and condemning LGBT individuals to eternal torment? Population growth? Your all-powerful God who literally invented reproduction could not find any better solutions to improve population growth?

You are welcome to create the same reproductive process, but here's the catch; you can't use any of God's elements to do it. You have to invent those first too. No run along and get busy.
 
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