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Sorry, but I'll be ignoring attempts at "rebuttals" that are without any substance.
Typical.
What a waste of a thread.
Sorry, but I'll be ignoring attempts at "rebuttals" that are without any substance.
According to scientists there is evidence that the universe had a beginning!
"All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology. The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago." Stephen Hawking The Beginning of Time
The Beginning of Time - Stephen Hawking
"Scientists generally agree that "the Big Bang" birthed the universe about 15 billion years ago." Tom Parisi, Northern Illinois University
In Search of the Beginning
"As a result of the Big Bang (the tremendous explosion which marked the beginning of our Universe), the universe is expanding and most of the galaxies within it are moving away from each other." CalTech THE INFRARED UNIVERSE - The Early Universe
"The scientific evidence is now overwhelming that the Universe began with a "Big Bang" ~15 billion (15,000,000,000 or 15E9) years ago." "The Big Bang theory is the most widely accepted theory of the creation of the Universe." Dr. van der Pluijm, University of Michigan
Global Change 1: The Evolution of the Universe
"The present location and velocities of galaxies are a result of a primordial blast known as the BIG BANG. It marked: THE BEGINNING OF THE UNIVERSE! THE BEGINNING OF TIME!" Terry Herter, Cornell University Lecture 29: Cosmology
"The universe had a beginning. There was once nothing and now there is something." Janna Levin, Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics at Cambridge University
Sample Chapter for Levin, J.: How the Universe Got Its Spots: Diary of a Finite Time in a Finite Space.
"Most scientists agree that the universe began some 12 to 20 billion years ago in what has come to be known as the Big Bang (a term coined by the English astrophysicist Fred Hoyle in 1950." University of Illinois http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/Cyberia/Cosmos/InTheBeginning.html
"A large body of astrophysical observations now clearly points to a beginning for our universe about 15 billion years ago in a cataclysmic outpouring of elementary particles. There is, in fact, no evidence that any of the particles of matter with which we are now familiar existed before this great event." Louis J. Clavelli, Ph.D., Professor of Physics, University of Alabama http://bama.ua.edu/~lclavell/pages/ssu.html
"THE UNIVERSE AND ALL OF SPACE ARE EXPANDING FROM A BIG BANG BEGINNING" Center for Cosmological Physics, University of Chicago
http://cfcp.uchicago.edu/education/resources/know/seven-things.pdf
Cosmological data shows that the universe had a beginning, when space, time, matter and energy exploded out from the cosmic event known as the Big Bang.
That supports what the Bible had described - that God spread out the heavens, and visible parts were made from the invisible.
Hebrews 11:3
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
The universe has not expanded from any one spot since the Big Bang — rather, space itself has been STRETCHING, and carrying matter with it.
NASA - What Does the Edge of the Solar System Look Like? Ask Voyager.What Does the Edge of the Solar System Look Like? Ask Voyager.
This still shows the locations of Voyager 1 & 2 Voyager 1 is traveling faster, reaching the termination shock sooner. The dramatic orange border to the left represents the bow shock, a theoretical area created as interstellar gas runs into the solar atmosphere. The location of the termination shock, or the boundary into the area where interstellar gas and solar wind start to mix, has been a mystery to scientists because it moves with regard to the power of the solar wind.
What's out there at the boundaries of our solar system? Starting out at a view of our Milky Way galaxy, the orange gas in the animation represents the interstellar medium.
The bow shock is created because the heliosphere is moving through like a boat through the water, crashing through the interstellar gases. The bow shock in front of the moving heliosphere is similar to the one observed by the Hubble Space Telescope.
The Hubble Space Telescope imaged this view in February 1995. The arcing, graceful structure is actually a bow shock about half a light-year across, created from the wind from the star L.L. Orionis colliding with the Orion Nebula flow.
You completely ignored my point. Why did you do that?
This thread is related to the other topic that was recently created, IS THERE A GOD?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/232358-there-god.html
The purpose of this thread is to provide evidences that the God of Abraham (the God of the Bible) is the same God that Created the Universe.
He is also what is called, the Designer.
The Bible - which is authored by the Creator - will be heavily cited.
The CREATOR has intimate knowledge of His Creation. How can He not?
If He was the One who designed and created....of course, He knows everything about it!
The heading of the beginning of the Bible, is about........ the beginning. It simply states: The Beginning
The very first statement of the Old Testament - Genesis 1 - is an official declaration by the Creator.
Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
That first statement informs us that:
1. the universe had a beginning
2. it was Created
3. the Creator is God. God of Abraham. The Biblical God.
Science had discovered and confirmed the universe had a beginning. They've discovered it only sometime in the 1990's, please correct me if I'm wrong about the date......and yet, that fact was declared thousands of years ago (verbally passed by "primitive" ancient men for who knows how long before it got finally written down, on paper), without the use of any technology, I must add.
Beginning of the Universe - Science Confirms
Pure scientific findings consistently point to only one conclusion: the universe had a singular start, an explosion, where everything we know--the universe, time, space, scientific laws we observe--all had a beginning.
Beginning of the Universe - Beginning of Time
Where did that vital information come from?
According to the ancient folks who'd verbally passed that vital info, it came from God. The Creator.
The Bible states that the earth was created at the same time as the rest of the universe. We know this is false.
I must've missed your point. What was it again?
You're making assumptions that He created them at exactly the same time. And you're assuming that the "day" is equivalent to 24 hours as we know it.
The statement that, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth," could be just that!
A formal statement. We don't know the actual time intervals between creations. Take note that the "first day" began after He created light.
You're making assumptions that He created them at exactly the same time. And you're assuming that the "day" is equivalent to 24 hours as we know it.
The statement that, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth," could be just that!
A formal statement. We don't know the actual time intervals between creations. Take note that the "first day" began after He created light.
This thread is related to the other topic that was recently created, IS THERE A GOD?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/232358-there-god.html
The purpose of this thread is to provide evidences that the God of Abraham (the God of the Bible) is the same God that Created the Universe.
He is also what is called, the Designer.
The Bible - which is authored by the Creator - will be heavily cited.
The CREATOR has intimate knowledge of His Creation. How can He not?
If He was the One who designed and created....of course, He knows everything about it!
The heading of the beginning of the Bible, is about........ the beginning. It simply states: The Beginning
The very first statement of the Old Testament - Genesis 1 - is an official declaration by the Creator.
Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
That first statement informs us that:
1. the universe had a beginning
2. it was Created
3. the Creator is God. God of Abraham. The Biblical God.
Science had discovered and confirmed the universe had a beginning. They've discovered it only sometime in the 1990's, please correct me if I'm wrong about the date......and yet, that fact was declared thousands of years ago (verbally passed by "primitive" ancient men for who knows how long before it got finally written down, on paper), without the use of any technology, I must add.
Beginning of the Universe - Science Confirms
Pure scientific findings consistently point to only one conclusion: the universe had a singular start, an explosion, where everything we know--the universe, time, space, scientific laws we observe--all had a beginning.
Beginning of the Universe - Beginning of Time
Where did that vital information come from?
According to the ancient folks who'd verbally passed that vital info, it came from God. The Creator.
I think it was pretty clear so I'll repost it with only modest alterations. When hypothesizing the origins of the Universe you only have two options. Either the Universe began, or it has always been. Without scientific evidence it's basically a coin flip. Some religious and ancient thinkers chose to believe it had a beginning, others that it had always been. That the early Abrahamic cult also chose to believe in a beginning proves nothing--they had a significant amount of company in that belief. So why ascribe special significance to the Abrahamic approach? Is this still unclear?
Now, the other thread, IS THERE A GOD, gives evidences that point to creation. I'll go in-line with those evidences as they get presented, and give you evidences that show the Creator/Designer is the God of Abraham.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/232358-there-god.html
Again, there will be that same CUMULATIVE EVIDENCE to take into serious consideration - meaning that corroborating evidences give reinforcement to one another, thereby providing a very strong effect to the argument being presented.
At the end, you'll have to deal with the fact that the CUMULATIVE EVIDENCE, is, by itself, a very powerful argument.
God created the heavens and the earth. Not then the earth. Not to mention the very idea that the earth was created before light was around, or that the sun existed before all the other stars. As a creation myth, Genesis has no relation to reality.
The Genesis Enigma: Why the First Book of the Bible Is Scientifically Accurate: Andrew Parker: 9780452296558: Amazon.com: BooksAndrew Parker is known within the scientific community as the man who best explained the "big bang" in the diversity of life that occurred over 500 million years ago. Stimulated by that research, he became interested in the biblical account of Genesis.
HOWEVER, there is scientific evidence that it has a beginning, there is no flipping the coin.....
.......I even provided you the proof, with all those quotations from scientists/universities/science sites.
You are missing my point though.
The Bible has written descriptions relating to creations - which is being supported by science!
That's what set the Abrahamic religion apart from the others: THE BIBLE!
In neither that thread, not this one, have you supplied evidence. You give plenty of SUPPOSITION, but no evidence. Just like in the other thread, here too you are assuming the answer. You've never presented any evidence ever.
That completely ignores my point.
Sherman123
That the early Abrahamic cult also chose to believe in a beginning proves nothing--they had a significant amount of company in that belief. So why ascribe special significance to the Abrahamic approach? Is this still unclear?
tosca1
The Bible has written descriptions relating to creations - which is being supported by science!
That's what set the Abrahamic religion apart from the others: THE BIBLE!
"Was the Big Bang the origin of the universe?
It is a common misconception that the Big Bang was the origin of the universe. In reality, the Big Bang scenario is completely silent about how the universe came into existence in the first place. In fact, the closer we look to time "zero," the less certain we are about what actually happened, because our current description of physical laws do not yet apply to such extremes of nature.
The Big Bang scenario simply assumes that space, time, and energy already existed. But it tells us nothing about where they came from - or why the universe was born hot and dense to begin with."
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/faq.htm#m12
If you are trying to imply that the big bang was the origin of the universe then you are wrong.
There are some other posters like you who just say, "no...there is no evidence! It can't be. It's mythology...." But that's not giving anything in rebuttal.
So, responses like that pretty much end the discussion between us, doesn't it? You're merely insisting giving your opinion, with nothing to base it on.
All that show is that, some folks are either not comprehending what's given.....or, are simply in denial.
It's just that you keep saying evidence, but never present it. Your arguments revolve around logical jumps, supposition and wishful thinking. While perhaps there is an argument for gods, it's not what you present. Never have you ever made a thread on this site where you sayd Evidence or Proof where you have offered it up.
Your arguments continue to do nothing more than indulge in illogical, poorly thought out, insufficiently backed, head in the clouds thinking.
You want to insult people, say they can't comprehend, but what you should comprehend is that your argument is specious and not founded in logic nor science.
Saying the possibility they can't comprehend, isn't an insult. It's stating the likely problem why some posters keep saying there are no evidences being given....with nothing to support that opinion.
Now, not providing anything substantive that we can chew on - as to why you say there's no evidence - is actually what's an insult.....to our intelligence.
If you'll just keep rehashing your post, I'll have to ignore you, Ikari.
This thread is related to the other topic that was recently created, IS THERE A GOD?
http://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/232358-there-god.html
The purpose of this thread is to provide evidences that the God of Abraham (the God of the Bible) is the same God that Created the Universe.
He is also what is called, the Designer.
The Bible - which is authored by the Creator - will be heavily cited.
The CREATOR has intimate knowledge of His Creation. How can He not?
If He was the One who designed and created....of course, He knows everything about it!
The heading of the beginning of the Bible, is about........ the beginning. It simply states: The Beginning
The very first statement of the Old Testament - Genesis 1 - is an official declaration by the Creator.
Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
That first statement informs us that:
1. the universe had a beginning
2. it was Created
3. the Creator is God. God of Abraham. The Biblical God.
Science had discovered and confirmed the universe had a beginning. They've discovered it only sometime in the 1990's, please correct me if I'm wrong about the date......and yet, that fact was declared thousands of years ago (verbally passed by "primitive" ancient men for who knows how long before it got finally written down, on paper), without the use of any technology, I must add.
Beginning of the Universe - Science Confirms
Pure scientific findings consistently point to only one conclusion: the universe had a singular start, an explosion, where everything we know--the universe, time, space, scientific laws we observe--all had a beginning.
Beginning of the Universe - Beginning of Time
Where did that vital information come from?
According to the ancient folks who'd verbally passed that vital info, it came from God. The Creator.
2. CAUSALITY aka THE LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT
http://www.debatepolitics.com/philosophical-discussions/232358-there-god-10.html
The Bible screams about the Cause. The very first verse of the very first chapter of the very first Book gives the cause:
“In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.”
I think it was pretty clear so I'll repost it with only modest alterations. When hypothesizing the origins of the Universe you only have two options. Either the Universe began, or it has always been. Without scientific evidence it's basically a coin flip. Some religious and ancient thinkers chose to believe it had a beginning, others that it had always been. That the early Abrahamic cult also chose to believe in a beginning proves nothing--they had a significant amount of company in that belief. So why ascribe special significance to the Abrahamic approach? ... .
Which does not prove anything... still.